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Post by berkley on Feb 19, 2021 14:04:26 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, the Femizons weren't even super-powered were they? (I've only read the Lyra story in The Superhero Women.) Was Thundra different somehow? Yes, Thundra was superpowered, and though she was the Femizons' top warrior, I'm not sure it was established at this time just how superior she was to her "sisters". So, I think she was supposed to be different, though how different, I don't think was well established at this time. I suspect Roy was making it up as he went along. In later years it would be apparent she was very, strong, but it the point of this story, it's kinda murky. For what it's worth, the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe from 1983 lists Thundra as being able to lift 65 tons and the Thing 85 tons, but then, looking at Thundra's origin there, it seems quite a bit different from what is implied in these early FF issues. That's one reason why I hate the Marvel/DC handbooks, at least in the form they have taken up to now: these strength, power, and intelligence ratings, etc should never be quantified in this way. Just a stupid idea, worthy of the era that produced it.
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Post by badwolf on Feb 19, 2021 20:27:25 GMT -5
Yes, Thundra was superpowered, and though she was the Femizons' top warrior, I'm not sure it was established at this time just how superior she was to her "sisters". So, I think she was supposed to be different, though how different, I don't think was well established at this time. I suspect Roy was making it up as he went along. In later years it would be apparent she was very, strong, but it the point of this story, it's kinda murky. For what it's worth, the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe from 1983 lists Thundra as being able to lift 65 tons and the Thing 85 tons, but then, looking at Thundra's origin there, it seems quite a bit different from what is implied in these early FF issues. That's one reason why I hate the Marvel/DC handbooks, at least in the form they have taken up to now: these strength, power, and intelligence ratings, etc should never be quantified in this way. Just a stupid idea, worthy of the era that produced it. I loved them but I have to say that is the aspect I paid the least attention to. I don't have the time to analyze who can lift what and it's adhered to in the stories. I was really just interested in the character bios. At the time they came out, well first of all I was young, but also there wasn't much in the way of reprints, so I was fascinated by these retellings.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 19, 2021 21:57:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I always felt that having stats of how much they could lift was a bit dry. I prefer to see what they can do in an actual story.
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 19, 2021 22:51:51 GMT -5
Books like Who's Who and The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe were answering the longtime interests of comic readers; one of the most common shared comic experiences of readers--used to be who was stronger / how their weapons worked, etc., so it made sense for the Big Two to finally address this fan interest.
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Post by brutalis on Feb 20, 2021 2:50:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I always felt that having stats of how much they could lift was a bit dry. I prefer to see what they can do in a actual story. The books gave comic readers what sports fans had:"actual" statistics to compare, discuss/argue over in ways we did as kids without having anything "real" ti base our assumptions upon. Now there were ways to gauge things on. The books were never meant to limit or specify skills or strength or abilities, more an attempt to categorize or explain/analyze and entertain for us the devoted readers. And acting as a guide for writers and artists.
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Post by Graphic Autist on Feb 23, 2021 12:56:44 GMT -5
I'm surprised nobody has brought up Spidey beating up Firelord by now...
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 23, 2021 14:54:07 GMT -5
Firelord has been beat by everyone; he's the Barry Horowitz of the Galactus Herald Wrestling Federation.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 23, 2021 15:32:23 GMT -5
Don't know nutt'n bout the Firelord stuff, but that is a nice Ron Frenz cover.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 23, 2021 15:42:21 GMT -5
I thought about that Firelord issue but I think Spider-man had the Captain Universe powers when he whipped him.
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Post by Graphic Autist on Feb 23, 2021 15:51:01 GMT -5
I thought about that Firelord issue but I think Spider-man had the Captain Universe powers when he whipped him. No, that was a few years later. He did beat the Hulk with CU's powers, though.
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Post by impulse on Feb 23, 2021 16:11:58 GMT -5
I knew that was McFarlane before I read the name.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 23, 2021 16:48:25 GMT -5
I thought about that Firelord issue but I think Spider-man had the Captain Universe powers when he whipped him. No, that was a few years later. He did beat the Hulk with CU's powers, though.
Dude, Then I totally agree. No way he beats the Firelord.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 23, 2021 18:10:45 GMT -5
A bit of a face palm here, but still, nice Ron Frenz art.
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Post by Graphic Autist on Feb 23, 2021 18:26:41 GMT -5
The best part of the Spidey/Firelord fight is Firelord came to Earth for a pizza. Not kidding.
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 23, 2021 19:22:12 GMT -5
The best part of the Spidey/Firelord fight is Firelord came to Earth for a pizza. Not kidding. Should have called for delivery!
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