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Post by chadwilliam on Feb 13, 2021 22:49:33 GMT -5
That one reminds me of the time when Byrne had The Joker think he had outsmarted the Post-Crisis Superman by kidnapping Perry White, Lois Lane, and Jimmy Olsen and claiming that they were being locked somewhere inside three lead-lined coffins. Byrne's Superman locates the coffins by scanning the city with his X-ray vision and since lead is the only thing he can't render invisible, the caskets pop out at him immediately (we'll ignore the fact that a locale such as Metropolis should have enough lead spread throughout it that this should have been a harder task than it's made out to be) though he finds them empty. When he captures The Joker, Superman explains that there is a common misconception that because his X-rays can't penetrate lead, lead is therefore invisible to him, hence The Joker being captured so easily, but...
Has anyone ever thought that Superman can't see lead? I mean, I guess some people may have somewhere, but I'd be willing to bet that it's about the same number of people who think that Superman gets his powers from eating kryptonite or something. And why The Joker even bothered with the empty coffins doesn't make sense if he wasn't planning to play fair anyway.
And I know this one wasn't a physical battle, but given the fact that at this point in time, The Joker was still being presented as a criminal mastermind, I have to way there is no way that he would have been that stupid. It would have been like Luthor trying to steal his cape since "there's a common misconception that I lose my powers if I'm not wearing it". HUH? Since when has there been such a misconception? And even if there were, having a criminal genius who has matched wits with Batman be dumb enough to believe it isn't something I buy at all. That's like Otis level intelligence, not Batman's #1 foe level.
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Post by Duragizer on Feb 13, 2021 22:52:49 GMT -5
Isn't Gladiator supposed to be as powerful as the pre-Crisis Earth-One Superman? And wasn't it Byrne himself who established that?
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 13, 2021 23:01:26 GMT -5
Isn't Gladiator supposed to be as powerful as the pre- Crisis Earth-One Superman? And wasn't it Byrne himself who established that? Right !?
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Post by berkley on Feb 13, 2021 23:36:32 GMT -5
When I read the examples in this thread I have two different reactions:
sometimes I think the writer is just being dumb and/or lazy: he (it's usually a he) wants his character - i.e. the hero of the book he happens to be writing - to be impressive and the easiest way he can tink of to do that is a scene of the kind this thread is talking about.
but sometimes I get the feeling that the writer actually knows better, that he understands that this is cheap, bad writing that brings out the worst aspects of the superhero genre - but goes ahead and writes the scene anyway, because he knows - or thinks he knows - that this is what his readership is demanding from him. Pandering to the audience, in other words - which shows a kind of contempt for that audience, from this POV.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 14, 2021 0:29:56 GMT -5
Those are both legit theories. My thoughts on having writers inherit comic book runs is that they can take it in any direction because they walk away afterwards. Who cares if you make Iron man an alcoholic or make Crystal a person who sleeps around, you don't own the character.
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Post by berkley on Feb 14, 2021 0:45:00 GMT -5
Those are both legit theories. My thoughts on having writers inherit comic book runs is that they can take it in any direction because they walk away afterwards. Who cares if you make Iron man an alcoholic or make Crystal a person who sleeps around, you don't own the character. Yeah, that's a slightly different issue, but definitely related - I thnk some of that is due not always so much to laziness or lack of ability as to deadline pressures and having to come up with something that feels new every month. After a while - years and years, perhaps - it must feel tempting to just say, f@¢& it, and submit some wildly improbable character change. The Crystal one has aleways bugged me because there's such a sharp difference between the Kirby/Lee character and what came later.
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 14, 2021 1:19:23 GMT -5
Those are both legit theories. My thoughts on having writers inherit comic book runs is that they can take it in any direction because they walk away afterwards. Who cares if you make Iron man an alcoholic or make Crystal a person who sleeps around, you don't own the character. Yeah, that's a slightly different issue, but definitely related - I thnk some of that is due not always so much to laziness or lack of ability as to deadline pressures and having to come up with something that feels new every month. After a while - years and years, perhaps - it must feel tempting to just say, f@¢& it, and submit some wildly improbable character change. The Crystal one has aleways bugged me because there's such a sharp difference between the Kirby/Lee character and what came later. Crystal was never an interesting character after she married Quicksilver for some reason.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 14, 2021 6:18:38 GMT -5
Yeah, that's a slightly different issue, but definitely related - I thnk some of that is due not always so much to laziness or lack of ability as to deadline pressures and having to come up with something that feels new every month. After a while - years and years, perhaps - it must feel tempting to just say, f@¢& it, and submit some wildly improbable character change. The Crystal one has aleways bugged me because there's such a sharp difference between the Kirby/Lee character and what came later. Crystal was never an interesting character after she married Quicksilver for some reason. Her story was submerged by Quicksilvers more dominant personality.
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Post by profh0011 on Feb 14, 2021 14:20:29 GMT -5
Roy Thomas in later years began complaining about what awful things other people did to "his" characters. He should have seen it coming, considering all the awful, out-of-left-field DAMAGE and destruction he performed on characters HE didn't create earlier.
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Post by brutalis on Feb 14, 2021 14:53:17 GMT -5
Everything beyond the original creators of characters stories is merely fan fiction. It may at times be quite good or quite bad, but it doesn't mean anything unless you as the reader choose to accept it as part of the greater fictionalized world. If you like it or it makes sense to YOU, then embrace it. If you don't care for it ignore it.
Don't care for an iteration of the Doctor? Fuggedaboudit cuz there are plenty others ti choose from or new ones coming. If there is something dumb or outlandishly out of character consider it a dream or a deal with Mephisto and get over it while enjoying the other aspects which you do like. Your favorite hero turns all powerful consuming their soul villain or the reverse of a true villain being altruistically superioraly heroic then chalk it up to a poorly conceived writer out of good ideas and wait it out for a change to the status quo. There are PLENTY of illogical instances of poorly executed of what possibly could be the germ of an idea turned sour. Kill Uatu the Watcher and replaced with one-eyed patch wearing Nick Fury works as a shocker Hollywood story pitch but should never be allowed to occur, so acknowledging it is NOT gonna happen in MY Marvel Universe.
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 14, 2021 16:33:38 GMT -5
Roy Thomas in later years began complaining about what awful things other people did to "his" characters. He should have seen it coming, considering all the awful, out-of-left-field DAMAGE and destruction he performed on characters HE didn't create earlier. Oh Roy Roy Roy ... I like a lot of Roy’s writing .... but he ruined Crystal (for starters) and she’s never recovered as a character I care about. Roy should keep his mouth shut on this issue.
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Post by tolworthy on Feb 14, 2021 17:58:57 GMT -5
The plot of this issue is that Alicia Masters gets kidnapped and he's forced to fight her in Shea Stadium. [/quote] A one sided "fight" as Bashful Benjy isn't one to slug it out with a woman, especially when he is more worried over Alicia. So more like Benjy holding back, not using all his strength, mentally/emotionally distracted, underestimated Thundra and she uses all of that to her advantage. Grimm defeated himself is more like it. [/quote] Not only that, but he was injured AND very sick at the time. Previous issues:
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 15, 2021 8:42:32 GMT -5
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 15, 2021 11:44:28 GMT -5
Zoom meeting at 1pm EST today ! What? Where? Whom?
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Post by badwolf on Feb 15, 2021 11:46:35 GMT -5
Zoom meeting at 1pm EST today ! careful...that guy is pretty fast and will run rings around you if you let him.
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