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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 5, 2020 17:26:34 GMT -5
Here's one NO ONE will agree with, but... and I am serious about this... Max Allan Collins on Batman. Well it is the second worst run I've ever read, after Starlin's. So I guess that's transformative.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 18:01:17 GMT -5
I'd say Ostrander's Martian Manhunter, even though it didn't sell well.
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Post by Dizzy D on Oct 8, 2020 6:41:24 GMT -5
A bunch of European series and creators: - Spirou: created in 1930 by Rob-Vell, but it's Andre Franquin who really transformed the series and boosted its popularity. Before it was a short gag strip or short funny stories, but Franquin introduced many side characters, made it a more adventerous comic and his artstyle was more expressive. The creative team of Tome&Janry modernizes the series a few decades later so they are a good second pick for this series.
- Lucky Luke: Morris created the series as writer/artist, but the series really started taking off when Rene Goscinny joined as co-writer on the series and Morris focused mostly on art.
- Storm: This one is kinda iffy, because the transformative creator was on the series before. Don Lawrence is the main force on this series and had several writers on the series, including Martin Lodewijk. Lodewijk left after one issue. A couple of years later, Lodewijk returns and sticks with the series as the only writer for the next 20 or so years. After Lawrence retires as artist due to age/bad eyesight, Lodewijk continues with the series to ease in the new creative team, but leaves a few issues later. Lodewijk's return to the series changes the setting of the series (the main two characters are literally transported to another galaxy where the rest of the series takes place), adds a third main character, returning villains, overarching storylines and so on.
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 8, 2020 7:27:31 GMT -5
Some might not agree but I felt that Grant Morrison transformed the Justice League back to what it was supposed to be. Maybe it's the best version ever. I was never more than lackluster for the original Dick Dillian version.
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 8, 2020 8:32:27 GMT -5
He made me read Superman regularly for the first time. I found the pre-crisis Big Blue boring. After Byrne, it became one of my favorite titles. Especially the triangle era up to "Death".
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Post by profh0011 on Oct 8, 2020 14:54:20 GMT -5
Wally Wood on DAREDEVIL.
Bill Everett created the character, and the one issue he wrote remains a fantastic comic to read to this day. but then Joe Orlando came on for the next 3 issues, and the series might well have died an early and well-deserved death... if Orlando hadn't QUIT the company as fast as he did... and Wood not take it over, and really "finished" the job of creation that Everett started.
Archie Goodwin on VAMPIRELLA.
I don't recall another instance of someone doing what Archie did. After only one major (short) story, and a couple of forgettable appearances, Archie essentially did a "soft reboot" of the series, completely changing the tone while leaving most of the details from the 1st issue intact. He turned a sci-fi comedy into a dark, serious, gothic supernatural romance with H.P.Lovecraft-style villains, while making the lead character someone sweet, vulnerable and just someone you could fall in love with... and not just for how she looked.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 18:15:16 GMT -5
Simon Furman on Transformers.
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Post by brutalis on Oct 8, 2020 18:29:56 GMT -5
Simon Furman on Transformers. Have to say it: Simon Furman transformed the Transformers and didn't try to disguise it! Truly he was more than meets the eye!
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Post by beccabear67 on Oct 8, 2020 19:26:37 GMT -5
I suppose Neal Adams on Deadman as he didn't start on it. Ever since it's his rendition that has been seen as the definitive one, not the first appearance.
Also Bruce Jones and Brent Anderson with Ka-zar definitely gave him, Shanna and even Zabu a new lease on life, plus a major expansion and added history to the Hidden Land!
I might as well add Jimmy Cheung on X-Force and the Dodsons on Generation X at Marvel in the late '90s. What I've seen of both titles earlier I don't like so much.
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Post by james on Oct 9, 2020 9:24:29 GMT -5
Byrne on FF
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 9, 2020 9:51:55 GMT -5
Jm Shooter on the Legion.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 9, 2020 10:40:30 GMT -5
Jm Shooter on the Legion. I would add Keith Giffen on the same title. LSH was prone to being transformed!!! Like Cockrum before him, Giffen gave the Legion a distinct look... and later had a big impact on the stories themselves. I remember those chapters of the Great Darkness Saga that I could get my hands on, way back when... this was a young creator who bore watching! He really amped up the SF aspect of the Legion.
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Post by tarkintino on Oct 9, 2020 11:49:55 GMT -5
Jm Shooter on the Legion. I would add Keith Giffen on the same title. LSH was prone to being transformed!!! Like Cockrum before him, Giffen gave the Legion a distinct look... and later had a big impact on the stories themselves. I remember those chapters of the Great Darkness Saga that I could get my hands on, way back when... this was a young creator who bore watching! He really amped up the SF aspect of the Legion. I would say the Legion title's biggest period of transformation occurred when Carey Bates took over as the lone writer on Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #197 (September, 1973). The Superboy title had been in some process of being modernized / made more relevant shortly before, but there was no consistent vision for the group (and early Bates alternated issues with Leo Dorfman). Under Bates, the title became the most interesting group titles at DC for a time (and frankly, one of the best between the Big Two), with characters behaving in more relatable ways, while the stakes were raised in darker, deadlier situations. Of course, this period saw the impact of Dave Cockrum and Mike Grell, so this was a major turning point in the title.
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Post by tonebone on Dec 4, 2020 10:08:06 GMT -5
It's a topic that's been skirted around here a couple of posts, but what about those creators who had the "cheese touch" and totally ruined a series/character that was riding high when they took over.
Jeph Loeb on the Ultimates comes to mind.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Dec 4, 2020 12:43:54 GMT -5
Sekowsky and O'Neill during DC's brief 70s trend of depowering and decostuming characters: Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Metal Men, Teen Titans, Superman.
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