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Post by tarkintino on Oct 4, 2020 19:47:02 GMT -5
O'Neil & Adams on Batman, Green Lantern & Green Arrow. ^ Major.
Romita (art, obviously) beginning co-plotting / co-creating certain key characters on The Amazing Spider-Man. Seismic change from the Ditko period, making the character the quintessential Marvel title / character.
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Post by Calidore on Oct 4, 2020 21:05:42 GMT -5
Got ninjaed on O'Neil's Question and Grell's Green Arrow, but I can still submit the Giffen/DeMatteis Justice League and Andrew Helfer's take on The Shadow.
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Post by Dizzy D on Oct 5, 2020 4:19:13 GMT -5
Ostrander/Yale on Suicide Squad. If you talk about that series, most will think of the supervillain "Dirty Dozen" instead of the Silver Age "Challengers of the Unknown"-like version.
Thorpe/Moore(again!)/Delano/Davis on Captain Britain; introducing the new costume, the Captain Britain Corps, many of the supporting cast etc.
Image Comics: Warren Ellis on Stormwatch Moore (again!) and later Casey on Wildcats
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 5, 2020 5:26:32 GMT -5
Garth Ennis.
He mostly worked on his creations, but the series he took over (the ones that I read, that is) took a new and welcome direction.
Hellblazer under pen became less esoteric, much closer to the reality of the street, with a stronger emotional involvement. The supporting cast gained noteworthy characters like Kit Ryan, Chantinelle and the First of the Fallen.
The Punisher under Ennis got rid of the "Enforcer for Heaven" nonsense that the character had meandered into and got Frank back to what he does best: shooting criminals.
In both cases the change in direction was a marked one, and in both cases it was for the better.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 5, 2020 8:31:47 GMT -5
Of the series that have been mentioned that I have read, I agree with. One that people site a lot that I don't is Moore on Swamp Thing. It was definitely great writing and art, but per the criteria of the OP, I will disagree, as I don't think it was better than Wein/Wrightson. But I can say why I see people site his run as revolutionary and/or better than preceding writers on Swamp Thing.
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Post by MDG on Oct 5, 2020 8:57:25 GMT -5
Julie Schwartz on Batman
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 5, 2020 9:48:35 GMT -5
Garth Ennis. He mostly worked on his creations, but the series he took over (the ones that I read, that is) took a new and welcome direction. Hellblazer under pen became less esoteric, much closer to the reality of the street, with a stronger emotional involvement. The supporting cast gained noteworthy characters like Kit Ryan, Chantinelle and the First of the Fallen. The Punisher under Ennis got rid of the "Enforcer for Heaven" nonsense that the character had meandered into and got Frank back to what he does best: shooting criminals. In both cases the change in direction was a marked one, and in both cases it was for the better. Kit Ryan is one of my all time favorite comic book characters.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 5, 2020 9:51:16 GMT -5
Of the series that have been mentioned that I have read, I agree with. One that people site a lot that I don't is Moore on Swamp Thing. It was definitely great writing and art, but per the criteria of the OP, I will disagree, as I don't think it was better than Wein/Wrightson. But I can say why I see people site his run as revolutionary and/or better than preceding writers on Swamp Thing. I think it was better than Wein/Wrightson, which isn't to say that that run was bad. It was mostly that they seemed to not really know where to go with the series after the first few issues and it just kind of became a monster of the month book. A very good one, but still nothing really moving it forward.
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Post by tarkintino on Oct 5, 2020 11:19:10 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 5, 2020 11:42:43 GMT -5
You can answer the question any way you want. I am thinking of characters that were dead and a creator brought back to life. Daredevil, Captain Marvel and Warlock under the aforementioned talents qualify. Not so much George Perez because the Avengers were Rolling along before he arrived. The above books mentioned were close to cancellation.
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Post by MDG on Oct 5, 2020 12:01:02 GMT -5
Joe Orlando on House of Mystery.
Al Feldstein on MAD.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 5, 2020 12:13:23 GMT -5
I think a lot of people gloss over that there was a significant change from Kurtzman Mad to Feldstein Mad. Both are great. I do think that Feldstein fell into a formula that Kurtzman might not have, but it was a very successful formula both financially and artistically. Recognizing the financial problems that Kurtzman's later efforts faced, I'm not convinced that Mad would have been as successful if it had continued under his editorship.
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Post by DubipR on Oct 5, 2020 14:23:36 GMT -5
Ostrander on Spectre Morrison on Animal Man Morrison on Doom Patrol Robinson on Starman (old and new) Perez on Wonder Woman Waid on Flash
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 5, 2020 14:40:59 GMT -5
Gary Friedrich on Sgt. Fury
Steranko on Agent of SHIELD
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Post by chadwilliam on Oct 5, 2020 17:13:12 GMT -5
Here's one NO ONE will agree with, but...
and I am serious about this...
Max Allan Collins on Batman.
As berkley put it, Frank Miller's Dark Knight/Year One work better as "variations" rather than "improvements" on a character, but this wasn't understood in the years (and decades... and future) which followed. As financially and critically successful as Miler's two works were and as much sense as it may have seemed to make to incorporate Miller's Batman into the main series/continuity at that time (I'm looking at you Jim Starlin), I think it actually made more sense to double down on who Batman really was rather than let that guy be lost to history.
Yes, a character named Batman who is emotionally and mentally unbalanced, is a "terrorist for the good guys", frequently flashes back to his parents murder, etc. can work, but that's not who the character was designed to be. Sane, emotionally an adult, mentally well balanced, a detective, an escape artist, a daredevil, fights bizarre criminal masterminds - that's Batman and I think O Neil should have pursued a path which said "OK, Miller's stuff is fantastic, but let's remind everybody that it works largely because it's so different from who Batman is and we'll remind you who Batman truly is every month in Batman and Detective".
I'm not saying that the stories themselves are classics (actually, his two pre-Year One issues and his Penguin tale from Batman Annual 11 are definitely classics, so ok, yeah, three of his tales are classics) but a Batman who battles outlandish villains in the weirdest of places, escapes giant sized death traps, uses his deductive abilities would have been a great way to establish the ground rules for who this character is supposed to be so soon after Miller had broken them.
And yeah, I get that this sounds like "Who should have opened for The Sex Pistols?" and me going "ooo, ooo, how about Herman's Hermits?" but I stand by it.
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