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Post by hondobrode on Jun 2, 2014 20:27:40 GMT -5
Oh and in case somebody was still wondering: brevoortformspring.tumblr.com/post/87593831163/is-marvel-really-cancelling-fantastic-four-and-not My respect for Breevort has crashed in the last 5 years or so. This doesn't change my opinion one lick, and the call will be from TPTB above him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 20:50:19 GMT -5
Oh I totally agree. I'll bet it happens. I've thought the same thing before, that Marvel would shut it off at the source to kill for a lesser franchise that isn't Spidey or the X-Men. I've often wondered if Marvel would do just that, eliminate all titles except for the Spider-Man and the X-Men titles. It would be like DC going to all Batman and Superman titles. Right now comics sales aren't so high that the companies would do just that, and let the movies be the moneymakers along with the merchandising. Comics are relatively small potatoes. Allen Smith Their market strategy seems to be flooding the market with titles every month, tying up the comic shops budget so they can't afford to order anything else. They don't want to be a choice on the shelf, they want to be the only choice on the shelf, even if half their output are titles that are cancelled within a year, they just create more to cancel those within the next year, and then create more to do it again. As long as they have 70 titles going out every month, that's all that matters. I can see them putting Spiderman and the X-Men in every title, but not canceling the titles without Spiderman or the X-Men. And haven't they done it before? At least with Spiderman, being a regular in Avengers and Fantastic Four at one point. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 6:10:46 GMT -5
I've often wondered if Marvel would do just that, eliminate all titles except for the Spider-Man and the X-Men titles. It would be like DC going to all Batman and Superman titles. Right now comics sales aren't so high that the companies would do just that, and let the movies be the moneymakers along with the merchandising. Comics are relatively small potatoes.
Allen Smith
I felt several years ago that in the near future both DC & Marvel would be down to 3 franchises each.
DC: Batman, Superman, Justice League.
Marvel: Spider-Man, X-Men, Avengers.
I think there will be very few solo books & heroes like Flash or Iron Man will only appear in team books. |
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Post by paulie on Jun 3, 2014 8:58:07 GMT -5
I've often wondered if Marvel would do just that, eliminate all titles except for the Spider-Man and the X-Men titles. It would be like DC going to all Batman and Superman titles. Right now comics sales aren't so high that the companies would do just that, and let the movies be the moneymakers along with the merchandising. Comics are relatively small potatoes.
Allen Smith
I felt several years ago that in the near future both DC & Marvel would be down to 3 franchises each.
DC: Batman, Superman, Justice League.
Marvel: Spider-Man, X-Men, Avengers.
I think there will be very few solo books & heroes like Flash or Iron Man will only appear in team books. Yup. And it's a shame and it's why I don't read Marvel and DC anymore. |
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Post by Action Ace on Jun 3, 2014 20:49:48 GMT -5
I've often wondered if Marvel would do just that, eliminate all titles except for the Spider-Man and the X-Men titles. It would be like DC going to all Batman and Superman titles. Right now comics sales aren't so high that the companies would do just that, and let the movies be the moneymakers along with the merchandising. Comics are relatively small potatoes.
Allen Smith
I felt several years ago that in the near future both DC & Marvel would be down to 3 franchises each.
DC: Batman, Superman, Justice League.
Marvel: Spider-Man, X-Men, Avengers.
I think there will be very few solo books & heroes like Flash or Iron Man will only appear in team books. I've made predictions along those lines myself. Of course, five of those six franchises (not X-Men) have dominated my purchases from DC/ Marvel for the last four decades. So I'm doing my part to make the prediction come true. |
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Post by Action Ace on Jun 3, 2014 20:53:10 GMT -5
The latest rumor I've heard is that the original Fantastic Four will be replaced with this foursome.
Cons: "slightly" more mundane adventures, the rights could cost more than what Frozen made at the box office
Pros: better singing, better costumes and an even gender split
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2014 14:43:36 GMT -5
For me Marvel canceling Fantastic Four would be like DC canceling Superman.
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Post by Spike-X on Jun 7, 2014 19:34:24 GMT -5
I've often wondered if Marvel would do just that, eliminate all titles except for the Spider-Man and the X-Men titles. It would be like DC going to all Batman and Superman titles. Right now comics sales aren't so high that the companies would do just that, and let the movies be the moneymakers along with the merchandising. Comics are relatively small potatoes.
Allen Smith
I felt several years ago that in the near future both DC & Marvel would be down to 3 franchises each.
DC: Batman, Superman, Justice League.
Marvel: Spider-Man, X-Men, Avengers.
I think there will be very few solo books & heroes like Flash or Iron Man will only appear in team books. Yup. And it's a shame and it's why I don't read Marvel and DC anymore. Wait...you don't read Marvel and DC any more because of something you think may be happening in the future, despite no evidence that this is actually going to happen? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 13:07:47 GMT -5
Well now Bleeding Cool is claiming the FF cancellation is confirmed and is indeed happening early-mid 2015-based on trade solicitations for 2015. Also looks like FF will return to its original numbering just before that "Final Issue".... BC article-M |
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Post by The Captain on Oct 5, 2014 18:36:32 GMT -5
I gave up on F4 after Fraction's recent run after having a collection of floppies dating back in the early 100's (not counting collected editions, which takes me earlier than that).
I want to like the book, but no one at Marvel has any idea how to write a compelling story for Reed, Sue, Ben and Johnny at this point. I agree with putting the team book on the shelf for a while, while still using the characters throughout the MU, and if and when someone can come up with a decent pitch for a new book, they can bring it back.
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Post by Action Ace on Oct 5, 2014 18:42:04 GMT -5
PERLMUTTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 18:58:47 GMT -5
Ike's personal feud with Fox is what BC keeps pointing to as the source of Marvel's current policies regarding the FF. I think that's what Action Ace is screaming about  -M |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 21:04:07 GMT -5
The weird thing is FF the comic has maybe a built in audience of 20,000. The movie has a built in audience of half a million on the low side. How many of those moviegoers are going to say "Nope, I won't watch that movie. There's no current monthly comic relating to it!"
Probably none of the people who went to see Sin City nearly a decade after the last installment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 9:45:48 GMT -5
I want to like the book, but no one at Marvel has any idea how to write a compelling story for Reed, Sue, Ben and Johnny at this point. I agree with putting the team book on the shelf for a while, while still using the characters throughout the MU, and if and when someone can come up with a decent pitch for a new book, they can bring it back. You made an excellent point here! ... But, to me it's will be unthinkable thing for Marvel to cancel it ... I'm curious about what they going to do in 2015 - as MRP reported by that Bleeding Cool Article that was posted earlier in this thread. Marvel without FF is like DC COMICS without Batman period. I will be a sad fan here ... |
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Post by The Captain on Oct 7, 2014 11:09:22 GMT -5
I want to like the book, but no one at Marvel has any idea how to write a compelling story for Reed, Sue, Ben and Johnny at this point. I agree with putting the team book on the shelf for a while, while still using the characters throughout the MU, and if and when someone can come up with a decent pitch for a new book, they can bring it back. You made an excellent point here! ... But, to me it's will be unthinkable thing for Marvel to cancel it ... I'm curious about what they going to do in 2015 - as MRP reported by that Bleeding Cool Article that was posted earlier in this thread. Marvel without FF is like DC COMICS without Batman period. I will be a sad fan here ...I would like to respectfully disagree with your analogy (bolding and underlining mine). Even though FF was first out of the gate for Marvel, it has been a very long time since they were top dog like Batman is for DC currently. First it was Spider-Man, then the X-Men, and now the Avengers, while the FF just trudged along, all the while with an unchanging dynamic. If Marvel wants to come up with something new for the Avengers, just age Steve Rogers and hand his shield to Sam Wilson, or let Rhodey fill the armor instead of Tony for a while, or bring in Luke Cage to run a street-level team, or have Spidey or Wolverine (shudder) join the team. With other teams, members could come and go because they were individuals drawn to the group for a myriad of reasons, but the FF was family, and to change the dynamic would mean fundamentally altering the character, both on the page as well as in the readers' perception. If Reed or Sue leave, they're a heel for walking out on their spouse or children, and if Johnny leaves to pursue his own interests, he's abandoning his sister, niece, and nephew who love him dearly. Ben, the only one not related by blood to the others, can leave, but as he is pretty much the soul of the team, it leaves a big hole. FF, to me, is a lot like Captain Marvel (Big Red Cheese, not Carol Danvers). They had their time in the sun, being on top of the comic world, but their very concept has become outdated. Every time DC tries to reboot or relaunch a Captain Marvel book, it fails, not because it's inherently bad, but because the world has moved on from the concept. Kids don't read comics any more, by and large, and the adults who do read them no longer identify with being a little kid saying a magic word and becoming a superhero, surrounded by super-powered relatives and a talking tiger, while fighting genius worms and other foes sprung from a child's imagination. Updating the book by eliminating some of those elements removes the core of what made Captain Marvel work in the 40's and '50's, and it's no longer the same book or character, just someone dressed up in familiar clothes but obviously not quite right. |
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