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Post by Action Ace on May 31, 2014 21:01:23 GMT -5
Check yesterday's Jude Terror column at theouthousers.com for a pretty thorough debunking of this rumor. Cei-U! I summon the BS! That would require me looking at that website and reading something written by Jude Terror. Not happening |
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Post by superecwfan1 on May 31, 2014 22:29:52 GMT -5
To be fair its not like Marvel have actually denied it. The Outhouse seems to be doing what they mostly do ...excuse Marvel for something silly . If it was DC , jeeze....they'd already wrote a big column and discussed how DC was fucking up as usual. Yet , we get a thread debunking it while Marvel itself haven't really debunked the story much at all.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 1, 2014 1:08:20 GMT -5
In retrospect, do you feel you should have stopped after Walt Simonson's run? Hickman's run was ok only because I waited until its completion and then read them all.If I had to read it as monthly installments i would have lost patience.After that it was just tediouly repetitive from previous stories.I have not bothered with the new volume.It was finished for me. The story was over I bring it up because I DESPISE the DeFalco run (sad because I loved his Spider-Man and Thor) and never felt that Claremont had a good handle on the FF when he took over the book in the late 90's. The last time I really enjoyed the FF was the all too short Heroes Return relaunch drawn by Alan Davis. I wish that team could have stuck around a lot longer. |
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Post by tolworthy on Jun 1, 2014 2:05:42 GMT -5
Why do you continue to follow along with a comic you haven't enjoyed in years? I've only subscribed twice since Byrne's run, for one year each. The first time was after reading Hickman's first issue. FF 570 was very hopeful. The second, current time was when Marvel dangled the carrot of letting Karl Kesel write the book. But they only let Kesel dialog four issues: they didn't even let him plot them, he had to follow Fraction's outline. For those brief moments I allowed myself to hope. I must be a masochist. My subscription ends in two issues and will not be renewed. |
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Post by Spike-X on Jun 1, 2014 3:18:33 GMT -5
To be fair, they got Kesel to finish the story from Fraction's plot outline after he'd had to finish up his run earlier than anticipated for reasons that don't spring to mind right now.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 1, 2014 5:46:03 GMT -5
Yeah, but Marvel can still merchandise the comics version of it's characters, right? Just not use the movie likenesses - And that merchandise is gonna sell a hell-of-a-lot more if there's a movie in theaters. Not if they cannot market it as FF, sure they can put out FF figures as part of the Marvel Legends line or Diamond Direct, but Fox has the rights to lines using Fantastic Four as the promotional draw so trade dress, labels etc. calling it FF are off limits to Marvel, and so there can't be a line of Marvel FF toys like there was with Spider-Man, Avengers, Cap, Thor and Iron Man and will be with Guardians. Notice there was no X-line of toys released by Marvel in conjunction with DOFP, because Marvel can't, Fox has the rights. Video games were part of the Fox deal as well from what I remember. Fox got a total package on the FF and X-Men characters. Even if Marvel creates new characters in the FF comic, the rights for movies and toys and what not go to Fox under the terms of the deal. Marvel was desperate for the cash Fox had, Fox had all the leverage and Marvel made a bad long term deal out of short term necessity. Now they are in a better position and have Disney behind them, they are trying to leverage some or all of those rights back. Whether the rumors of the title getting shelved while the movie is in production are true or false, the battle of wills between Fox and Marvel Studios is real, and its boiling down to a couple of old men used to being the alpha males and getting their way having bruised egos and refusing to back down well past the point where logic or reason is dictating actions. -M This deal with Fox Is a lifetime deal? Does the contract have an expiration date? |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 1, 2014 6:40:31 GMT -5
It will be a sad day when and If the FF book is canceled for poor sales. This book has been restarted over 3 times in recent memory and I can't remember when the last time it was a "hot" book ala X-men or Avengers.
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Post by ironchimp on Jun 1, 2014 8:26:25 GMT -5
the book has a lot of fundamental problems in it
1. franklin is far too powerful. anything that gets really out of control then he is the reset button
2. valeria has a ridiculously convoluted back story and isnt a very sympathetic character at all
3. reed basically solves everything with a machine - rest of team often seem pointless
4. thing seems underpowered or other characters seem overpowered these days
5. its probably over 16,000 pages of story - everything that can be said has been said three times over.
6. a lot of readers these days are just turned off by the idea of a family
7. their rogues gallery became other characters rogues too and there is no incentive for writers to create new ones
can still be a fun book but it's something more to drop in and out of because if you follow it too long it's the same stuff ad infinitum
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 1, 2014 8:31:54 GMT -5
the book has a lot of fundamental problems in it 1. franklin is far too powerful. anything that gets really out of control then he is the reset button 2. valeria has a ridiculously convoluted back story and isnt a very sympathetic character at all 3. reed basically solves everything with a machine - rest of team often seem pointless 4. thing seems underpowered or other characters seem overpowered these days 5. its probably over 16,000 pages of story - everything that can be said has been said three times over. 6. a lot of readers these days are just turned off by the idea of a family 7. their rogues gallery became other characters rogues too and there is no incentive for writers to create new ones can still be a fun book but it's something more to drop in and out of because if you follow it too long it's the same stuff ad infinitum I can see the idea of the children turning readers off for the reasons you stated but The Avengers and the X-men have been around just as long and they don't lack popularity. |
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Post by ironchimp on Jun 1, 2014 9:13:09 GMT -5
Avengers and x-men also have a cast of zillions too which allows a lot more soap opera. It's kind of limited what you can soap opera wise with FF.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 15:48:34 GMT -5
This deal with Fox Is a lifetime deal? Does the contract have an expiration date? As long as they keep producing movies within a certain time frame, they retain the rights. If they do not produce a movie in the set time frame, the rights lapse back to Marvel That's how they got Punisher and Daredevil back, the rights lapsed because no movie was produced or in production. Fox launched production of the latest FF movie just before the rights would have reverted, and fast tracked it at the time to keep those rights. It's the same deal Sony has with Spidey-as long as they keep making the movies, they retain the rights. If Fox keeps making the movies for X-Men and FF, then no, Marvel never gets the movie rights back for them. -M |
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Post by Dizzy D on Jun 2, 2014 10:11:54 GMT -5
Oh and in case somebody was still wondering:
brevoortformspring.tumblr.com/post/87593831163/is-marvel-really-cancelling-fantastic-four-and-not
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Post by tolworthy on Jun 2, 2014 11:38:00 GMT -5
"anything can happen. But it probably won’t."
That describes the current Fantastic Four to a T.
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Post by allensmith on Jun 2, 2014 20:22:25 GMT -5
Oh I totally agree. I'll bet it happens. I've thought the same thing before, that Marvel would shut it off at the source to kill for a lesser franchise that isn't Spidey or the X-Men. I've often wondered if Marvel would do just that, eliminate all titles except for the Spider-Man and the X-Men titles. It would be like DC going to all Batman and Superman titles. Right now comics sales aren't so high that the companies would do just that, and let the movies be the moneymakers along with the merchandising. Comics are relatively small potatoes. Allen Smith |
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Post by allensmith on Jun 2, 2014 20:25:50 GMT -5
Honestly, I wouldn't be bothered if they did. The book has been terrible since Hickman left, and was terrible for years beforehand. It really needs someone with a compelling vision who actually understands the characters, has a decent (long) story to tell to reinvigorate it. You do have a point. How long has it been since the characters really had any unique quality about them, other characters as well as the FF? There have been too many permutations of the same characters over and over, to diminishing returns. Both in terms of sales and quality. Allen Smith |
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