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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 31, 2014 10:33:44 GMT -5
You can go on Tolworthy because for the first time in 50 years,I no longer buy and read the Fantastic Four. I share your disappointments and will no longer spend good money just because a product gave me pleasure long ago
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Post by hondobrode on May 31, 2014 10:36:32 GMT -5
Can't stand the cast of the new movie...just awful...  Couldn't agree more. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on May 31, 2014 10:45:21 GMT -5
You can go on Tolworthy because for the first time in 50 years,I no longer buy and read the Fantastic Four. I share your disappointments and will no longer spend good money just because a product gave me pleasure long ago In retrospect, do you feel you should have stopped after Walt Simonson's run? |
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Post by Icctrombone on May 31, 2014 11:35:23 GMT -5
I think the last run that I enjoyed was the Defalco- Ryan run.
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Post by berkley on May 31, 2014 12:01:19 GMT -5
One bonus for me about this new independent Classics board is that I find I no longer feel the same temptation to look at the previews that used to be the CBR site before moving on to the message board. That means I'm less likely to drive myself crazy by getting a glimpse at whatever Marvel or DC might be doing to my favourite characters or series at the moment.
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Post by ironchimp on May 31, 2014 12:10:48 GMT -5
i enjoyed hickman and epting's run. at the time it felt really slow but i re-read a bit of it recently and really enjoyed it. Epting draws like an absolute beast on it
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 31, 2014 12:19:00 GMT -5
Hickman's run had it's moments... I enjoyed Spidey on the team, and the Future Foundation kids. The nonsense with Doom being a hero and the counsel of Cross Time Reeds? Not so much.
As to the topic at hand, it's just a goofy rumor to sell clicks.. that's mostly what Bleeding Cool does these days, since there really is no inside information any more.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 31, 2014 13:04:19 GMT -5
You can go on Tolworthy because for the first time in 50 years,I no longer buy and read the Fantastic Four. I share your disappointments and will no longer spend good money just because a product gave me pleasure long ago In retrospect, do you feel you should have stopped after Walt Simonson's run? Hickman's run was ok only because I waited until its completion and then read them all.If I had to read it as monthly installments i would have lost patience.After that it was just tediouly repetitive from previous stories.I have not bothered with the new volume.It was finished for me. The story was over |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 31, 2014 13:56:26 GMT -5
Yeah, that seems ridiculous to me. I'm pretty sure Marvel still owns the merchandise rights to the Fantastic Four (at least some of 'em) so the movie is like free advertising for the comics and - vastly more importantly - the lunchboxes and under-roos where the REAL money is. Having a Fantastic Four movie from another studio is much, much better for Marvel than having no Fantastic Four movie at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2014 13:56:30 GMT -5
I realise it's a hoax / humour site. But speaking as a subscriber and uber fan, I would be happy if the present FF went away. It would be great (IMO) if people would step back for a few years, then go back and either create something new, or remember what it was that made the title so great in the early days. Dr Who is a good example. They took a few years off then did something different, and did it well. Personally I prefer the original stories, but the new stories have their own different appeal and they are popular. Great! We can still go back to the older stories and when the reboot eventually burns out who knows, we may get the old style back again. Everyone wins. But the FF? They will not let it either change or die. It's like a decaying corpse, but they keep painting on ever thicker make up and kicking it to make it move. I hate sounding like The Comic Book Guy ("Worst. Issue. Ever.") so I tend not to comment on new issues. But to give an idea of my feelings, the most recent issue ended up as a base for my cat's litter tray. And I freely admit that the current run is better than the previous one, and that Hickman's run was the best for years. But that is faint praise. What is so bad with the FF? Simply that there is no story. That is, no events have consequences. If lucky they have the ILLUSION of consequences until the next writer comes along, but even there the events are recycled from previous issues. I don't blame the writers: permanent change is banned, so what can they do? They may as well give the company what it wants and take the money. Take the current arc for example: it's another reboot (the third in three years IIRC). Characters are losing powers again - the same theme as the previous year's reboot. The team is hated and in court - how often has that happened? Being hated was fresh in issue 2, issue 7 and issue 9, and being in court was still fresh in the overmind saga (121?) It was getting a bit stale by the 330s (acts of vengeance I think). And now it's all I can do to stifle the yawns. The whole current run is like a parody of itself - "the end of the Fantastic Four" that trope is so stale that Byrne was mocking it inside the comic in the early 1980s! The main difference now is that they drag it out for endless issues, diluting any accidental interest to homeopathic levels. And don't get me started on how the characters are nothing like the original team and have been stripped of anything that made them interesting. Even the very best issues are terrible. The latest one, issue 5, is being praised for its fun nostalgia fest, as nostalgia is all the team is good for at this point, but they can't even do that right. The sliding time scale has destroyed so much of the original stories that the motivations no longer make any sense. For example, the events of issue 1 are attacked because everyone acted so jumpy - racing to the flare gun and causing destruction along the way: this made perfect sense in an era of nuclear and communist paranoia, an era before mobile phones when you either fired the flare or waited til the evening. But it makes no sense now. And of course the issue involves the team mainly sitting or standing around, which is all they seem to do these days. Do I really need to compare the new issue 5 to the original issue 5 (the first appearance of Dr Doom)? I could go on. And get off my lawn. Why do you continue to follow along with a comic you haven't enjoyed in years? Not trying to attack you or anything, just wondering why people do this. If I don't like an issue of a comic, I'm very unlikely to ever buy another issue. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2014 14:16:53 GMT -5
Yeah, that seems ridiculous to me. I'm pretty sure Marvel still owns the merchandise rights to the Fantastic Four (at least some of 'em) so the movie is like free advertising for the comics and - vastly more importantly - the lunchboxes and under-roos where the REAL money is. Having a Fantastic Four movie from another studio is much, much better for Marvel than having no Fantastic Four movie at all. Merchandising is where the money is, unfortunately merchandising rights for stuff based on the FF and X- movies went to Fox in the deal-the deal was negotiated when Marvel was trying to emerge from bankruptcy and had absolutely no leverage and were desperate for a cash influx. Same with Spidey to Sony, but Sony has ceded the animation and merchandising rights back to Marvel to keep the license. Fox is not playing ball with Marvel and Marvel sees little profit from the X- or FF movies or merchandising based on it. As for movies advertising the comics, after 14 years people are realizing there is little to no sales bump in the regular monthly books from movies, any bump at all (and its debate if there is one) seems to come to collected editions, but very few FF collections stay in print and none are perennial sellers for Marvel so it is a minor transient gain at best. -M |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2014 16:06:34 GMT -5
But is this a deal where the merchandising has to be based on the movie for Fox to release it? They can't release comic book FF toys, they'd have to be made in the image of the actors who portray the characters on film. The way I see it, Marvel could fill toy store shelves with FF toys based on the comic property, and release them concurrently with the movie.
What about the video game licenses?
By the way, this is one reason why I hate licensed properties. Getting them released is always such a huge pain. Or keeping them in print through TPB.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 31, 2014 16:34:01 GMT -5
Yeah, that seems ridiculous to me. I'm pretty sure Marvel still owns the merchandise rights to the Fantastic Four (at least some of 'em) so the movie is like free advertising for the comics and - vastly more importantly - the lunchboxes and under-roos where the REAL money is. Having a Fantastic Four movie from another studio is much, much better for Marvel than having no Fantastic Four movie at all. Merchandising is where the money is, unfortunately merchandising rights for stuff based on the FF and X- movies went to Fox in the deal-the deal was negotiated when Marvel was trying to emerge from bankruptcy and had absolutely no leverage and were desperate for a cash influx. Same with Spidey to Sony, but Sony has ceded the animation and merchandising rights back to Marvel to keep the license. Fox is not playing ball with Marvel and Marvel sees little profit from the X- or FF movies or merchandising based on it. As for movies advertising the comics, after 14 years people are realizing there is little to no sales bump in the regular monthly books from movies, any bump at all (and its debate if there is one) seems to come to collected editions, but very few FF collections stay in print and none are perennial sellers for Marvel so it is a minor transient gain at best. -M Yeah, but Marvel can still merchandise the comics version of it's characters, right? Just not use the movie likenesses - And that merchandise is gonna sell a hell-of-a-lot more if there's a movie in theaters. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2014 19:04:51 GMT -5
Merchandising is where the money is, unfortunately merchandising rights for stuff based on the FF and X- movies went to Fox in the deal-the deal was negotiated when Marvel was trying to emerge from bankruptcy and had absolutely no leverage and were desperate for a cash influx. Same with Spidey to Sony, but Sony has ceded the animation and merchandising rights back to Marvel to keep the license. Fox is not playing ball with Marvel and Marvel sees little profit from the X- or FF movies or merchandising based on it. As for movies advertising the comics, after 14 years people are realizing there is little to no sales bump in the regular monthly books from movies, any bump at all (and its debate if there is one) seems to come to collected editions, but very few FF collections stay in print and none are perennial sellers for Marvel so it is a minor transient gain at best. -M Yeah, but Marvel can still merchandise the comics version of it's characters, right? Just not use the movie likenesses - And that merchandise is gonna sell a hell-of-a-lot more if there's a movie in theaters. Not if they cannot market it as FF, sure they can put out FF figures as part of the Marvel Legends line or Diamond Direct, but Fox has the rights to lines using Fantastic Four as the promotional draw so trade dress, labels etc. calling it FF are off limits to Marvel, and so there can't be a line of Marvel FF toys like there was with Spider-Man, Avengers, Cap, Thor and Iron Man and will be with Guardians. Notice there was no X-line of toys released by Marvel in conjunction with DOFP, because Marvel can't, Fox has the rights. Video games were part of the Fox deal as well from what I remember. Fox got a total package on the FF and X-Men characters. Even if Marvel creates new characters in the FF comic, the rights for movies and toys and what not go to Fox under the terms of the deal. Marvel was desperate for the cash Fox had, Fox had all the leverage and Marvel made a bad long term deal out of short term necessity. Now they are in a better position and have Disney behind them, they are trying to leverage some or all of those rights back. Whether the rumors of the title getting shelved while the movie is in production are true or false, the battle of wills between Fox and Marvel Studios is real, and its boiling down to a couple of old men used to being the alpha males and getting their way having bruised egos and refusing to back down well past the point where logic or reason is dictating actions. -M |
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Post by Action Ace on May 31, 2014 20:59:41 GMT -5
Yet another way Bizarro-Marvel operates. Can you imagine what Stan thinks ? I get it, kind of, but it's sick thinking. To save the village we had to destroy it. That's Ike Perlmutter thinking 101... and that is why this one scares me...if his name wasn't attached, I would laugh it off, but Ike, Ike is a special kind of guy.... -M I was going to dismiss it as well, until I remembered it was Ike Perlmutter they were talking about. |
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