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Post by kirby101 on Jul 17, 2023 11:55:08 GMT -5
I found this on the kirbymuseum site.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 17, 2023 12:55:10 GMT -5
Maybe the 2001 tabloid. Honestly I've never read anything that Kirby wrote solo that sticks out to me as being particularly memorable.
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 17, 2023 13:45:14 GMT -5
Maybe the 2001 tabloid. Honestly I've never read anything that Kirby wrote solo that sticks out to me as being particularly memorable. 2001 pales in comparison to the film for a number of reasons, but Kirby's best solo work will always be New Gods, leaving considerable distance between it and his other solo books.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 17, 2023 13:47:05 GMT -5
Maybe the 2001 tabloid. Honestly I've never read anything that Kirby wrote solo that sticks out to me as being particularly memorable. 2001 pales in comparison to the film for a number of reasons, but Kirby's best solo work will always be New Gods, leaving considerable distance between it and his other solo books. The movie bores me to tears. So anything would be better.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 17, 2023 14:32:00 GMT -5
but Kirby's best solo work will always be New Gods, leaving considerable distance between it and his other solo books. IDK man, I thought the Demon, Mister Miracle, Forever People, and OMAC were pretty good for what they were. Didn't much care for New Gods, but that's me. Kind of read like much dryer and far less bombastic riff on his time on Thor
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 17, 2023 15:08:04 GMT -5
2001 is my favorite film. I don't know if any comic could do it justice. Kirby's writing in that book is not great. But the art, with Giaccioa inks, is spectacular.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 17, 2023 16:09:49 GMT -5
2001 is my favorite film. I don't know if any comic could do it justice. Kirby's writing in that book is not great. But the art, with Giaccioa inks, is spectacular. It is very weird to me that Kirby used the Treasury and the subsequent series to basically create his own universe and give birth to Machine Man
But Shooter kind of did the same thing with Valiant to an extent using three Gold Key titles, so I guess stranger things have happened
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Post by commond on Jul 17, 2023 16:16:09 GMT -5
I agree that Stan did the final scripting, but I think there was a lot of input from Kirby, probably dialog penciled in, which he did at times in the Silver Age, then Stan re-wrote it. I was making the observation that it reads more like a Kirby book than a Lee book (and trying to be too cute saying it) But it also points out that maybe Kirby wasn't a "terrible" scripter compared to Lee as often claimed. Stan was a better scripter, no question, but I tire of hearing that Kirby couldn't write dialog.
I think Kirby was a better scripter than Stan in certain cases - for example when he was writing dialogue or captions that had to do with the underlying themes of his most ambitious work, the New Gods and the Eternals. In a Kirby/Lee collaboration, Stan might have rewritten such lines to sound more flowing to some ears (though not always to mine) but he would probably have missed or muddled the point at least some of the time. For this reason, I wouldn't have had Kirby hire a scripter on any of his solo books.
The Cartoonist Kayfabe guys were fairly critical of both the plotting and the scripting in the Silver Surfer graphic novel. I quite enjoyed it, but I can see where they were coming from.
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 17, 2023 16:24:39 GMT -5
2001 is my favorite film. I don't know if any comic could do it justice. Kirby's writing in that book is not great. But the art, with Giaccioa inks, is spectacular. It is very weird to me that Kirby used the Treasury and the subsequent series to basically create his own universe and give birth to Machine Man
But Shooter kind of did the same thing with Valiant to an extent using three Gold Key titles, so I guess stranger things have happened
I think the comic series, where Kirby was riffing on the movie themes, was better written than the Treasury.
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 17, 2023 17:01:36 GMT -5
I forgot one of my favorite Kirby stories. Toxl the World Killer from Tales of Mystery #2. I think this was originally done for one of the B&W mags that didn't get published. It was a tight 12 pagers with a climatic finish, one of Kirby's great pages and then a nice twist.
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 17, 2023 17:39:20 GMT -5
but Kirby's best solo work will always be New Gods, leaving considerable distance between it and his other solo books. IDK man, I thought the Demon, Mister Miracle, Forever People, and OMAC were pretty good for what they were. Didn't much care for New Gods, but that's me. Kind of read like much dryer and far less bombastic riff on his time on Thor I think he perfected anything he tried on Thor with New Gods, only he was not working with characters who--by the nature of Marvel--had to interact with the rest of the superheroes on Earth. Yes, that would eventually happen with the Fourth World creations at DC, but its was its own universe, allowing Kirby more time to devote to his "quest for meaning"-types of stories without a case such as Thor, where his time was split between Asgard, space / dimensions and running around with the Avengers.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 17, 2023 17:46:21 GMT -5
IDK man, I thought the Demon, Mister Miracle, Forever People, and OMAC were pretty good for what they were. Didn't much care for New Gods, but that's me. Kind of read like much dryer and far less bombastic riff on his time on Thor I think he perfected anything he tried on Thor with New Gods, only he was not working with characters who--by the nature of Marvel--had to interact with the rest of the superheroes on Earth. Yes, that would eventually happen with the Fourth World creations at DC, but its was its own universe, allowing Kirby more time to devote to his "quest for meaning"-types of stories without a case such as Thor, where his time was split between Asgard, space / dimensions and running around with the Avengers. Maybe I need to give it another read through then because I found Orion to be a really bland lead character when compared to Scott in Mister Miracle
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Post by berkley on Jul 17, 2023 18:53:56 GMT -5
2001 is my favorite film. I don't know if any comic could do it justice. Kirby's writing in that book is not great. But the art, with Giaccioa inks, is spectacular.
Much the same feelings here. I don't see the adaptation as an attempt to match the movie in another medium, but rather Kirby's personal, subjective reaction to the film.
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Post by berkley on Jul 17, 2023 19:02:34 GMT -5
I think Kirby was a better scripter than Stan in certain cases - for example when he was writing dialogue or captions that had to do with the underlying themes of his most ambitious work, the New Gods and the Eternals. In a Kirby/Lee collaboration, Stan might have rewritten such lines to sound more flowing to some ears (though not always to mine) but he would probably have missed or muddled the point at least some of the time. For this reason, I wouldn't have had Kirby hire a scripter on any of his solo books.
The Cartoonist Kayfabe guys were fairly critical of both the plotting and the scripting in the Silver Surfer graphic novel. I quite enjoyed it, but I can see where they were coming from.
Don't know what that is but in general I'm not too impressed with comics critics. And even the most perceptive critics in other media I find of interest mainly for pointing out aspects of a work I might have missed on my own, not for telling me what's good and what's bad.
Or perhaps that's not quite it: it might be more fair to say that I've come across critical analyses that have persuaded me look at something twice, perhaps think again about something I've dismissed or didn't think much of the first time around. But I don't believe I've ever come across a negative judgement that has changed my mind about something I already liked.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 17, 2023 19:04:21 GMT -5
I think he perfected anything he tried on Thor with New Gods, only he was not working with characters who--by the nature of Marvel--had to interact with the rest of the superheroes on Earth. Yes, that would eventually happen with the Fourth World creations at DC, but its was its own universe, allowing Kirby more time to devote to his "quest for meaning"-types of stories without a case such as Thor, where his time was split between Asgard, space / dimensions and running around with the Avengers. Maybe I need to give it another read through then because I found Orion to be a really bland lead character when compared to Scott in Mister Miracle I like the DR Jeckle Mr. Hyde aspect to Orion. He was seemingly controlling the monster at all times.
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