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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 2, 2023 18:49:12 GMT -5
I got inspired by a post that Cei-U! made in another thread. "Even though I'm a *very* serious continuity geek, I'd nonetheless rather read a good comic that violates continuity than a bad one that faithfully adheres to it."
Which book that you liked a lot didn't fit in with continuity?
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Post by berkley on Feb 2, 2023 19:29:04 GMT -5
The two that always come to mind are Moore's Swamp Thing and Miller's Daredevil - I think the latter violated continuity in the sense that it gave DD a different personality to what he'd had in the past, though it didn't make any explicit changes to his origin or what have you.
I think Marvel's Thor arguably violated its own previously established continuity in a good way when it more or less got rid of the whole Don Blake alter ego and concentrated on Thor as the prince of Asgard.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 2, 2023 20:26:38 GMT -5
Does Avengers Forever count? That if it does.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 21:00:02 GMT -5
Avengers #4. Cap stories continued into the 50s, but the idea of his having been frozen in WWII on a mission and found/awakened by the Avengers to create the man out of time instead of adhering to all the post-war Cap stories already told was a brilliant move, whether intentional or not, it sent the tone for what Marvel would become.
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 2, 2023 21:53:52 GMT -5
Avengers #4. Cap stories continued into the 50s, but the idea of his having been frozen in WWII on a mission and found/awakened by the Avengers to create the man out of time instead of adhering to all the post-war Cap stories already told was a brilliant move, whether intentional or not, it sent the tone for what Marvel would become. -M Great choice; I was thinking of Cap's revival. As you point out, Cap stories continued in the 1950s, but his new history was a brilliant creative spark that transformed the "stars and stripes" character into a tragic, guilt-ridden man who could not escape his demons regarding Bucky, and that was the launch pad for some the best dramatic arcs of any Marvel character, second only to Spider-Man. The Cap "violation" did not end there, as Steve Englehart's sharp explanation for the 50s Cap and Bucky--and their darker fate was a great way to build/link the Atlas universe to Marvel, although some would say the entire arc was a "violation".
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 2, 2023 23:46:43 GMT -5
Oh, probably the Bob Haney Brave & the Bold. Haney was never too worked up about continuity and it rarely mattered tot he stories he wrote. Similarly, his Super Sons stories, from World's Finest.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Feb 3, 2023 4:13:49 GMT -5
I'd consider a lot of the stuff mentioned so far retcons rather than outright Bob Haneyesque violations of continuity - and the DD and Swamp Thing examples were particularly outstanding ones at that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2023 5:25:45 GMT -5
Oh, probably the Bob Haney Brave & the Bold. Haney was never too worked up about continuity and it rarely mattered tot he stories he wrote. What he said.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 3, 2023 5:25:55 GMT -5
My guess is that you will find less examples for Marvel. They kept closer watch on their Universe than DC did. I think Dc until the 80's had editors for each of their major heroes and they didn't care to check what was happening in other books.
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Post by MWGallaher on Feb 3, 2023 5:32:38 GMT -5
MICKEY MOUSE SUPER SECRET AGENT: For three issues of his Gold Key comic in 1966 (#107-109), Dan Spiegle drew realistic spy adventures around the cartoon images of Mickey and Goofy. I love 'em!
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Post by k7p5v on Feb 3, 2023 5:48:55 GMT -5
Hopefully this counts, but how about MJ revealing she knew Spidey's secret the whole time...
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Post by zaku on Feb 3, 2023 6:44:01 GMT -5
The examples of Swamp Thing, MJ, etc, aren't these retcons instead of canon violations?
I think there is a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2023 6:47:45 GMT -5
The examples of Swamp Thing, MJ, etc, aren't these retcons instead of canon violations? I think there is a difference. A retcon is simply an ignoring of previous continuity that becomes the new status quo instead of a one-off story. Otherwise all Elseworlds, Imaginary stories, and the like could be listed here. -M -
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Post by EdoBosnar on Feb 3, 2023 6:48:29 GMT -5
The examples of Swamp Thing, MJ, etc, aren't these retcons instead of canon violations? I think there is a difference. Hm, seems like there's an echo in this thread....
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Post by zaku on Feb 3, 2023 6:54:01 GMT -5
The examples of Swamp Thing, MJ, etc, aren't these retcons instead of canon violations? I think there is a difference. Hm, seems like there's an echo in this thread.... uh, you are right...
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