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Post by kirby101 on Feb 4, 2023 10:28:11 GMT -5
So, any stories mentioned here meet the standard of broken continuity instead of retcon or elseworld?
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Post by zaku on Feb 4, 2023 10:55:27 GMT -5
So, any stories mentioned here meet the standard of broken continuity instead of retcon or elseworld? There are. But usually stories that make a genuine violation of continuity (e.i. ignoring a well known and established fact -and not just a continuity minutiae- about a character valid until the very second-last issue without giving any explanation) aren't very good. I suppose because the authors who do that are so arrogant to think that the rules which everyone follow are no good for them and don't owe an explanation to anyone ;-P Case in point The Abandoned An’ Forsaked - Did Superman's Parents Seriously Survive the Destruction of Krypton?
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 4, 2023 11:11:02 GMT -5
By the way, since you're the OP, do you consider Alan Moore's Swamp Thing a "continuity violation" or a retcon? Or for you there is no difference between the two concepts? It’s only a continuity violation if it says something never happened.
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Post by MDG on Feb 4, 2023 11:38:53 GMT -5
So, any stories mentioned here meet the standard of broken continuity instead of retcon or elseworld? There are. But usually stories that make a genuine violation of continuity (e.i. ignoring a well known and established fact -and not just a continuity minutiae- about a character valid until the very second-last issue without giving any explanation) aren't very good. I suppose because the authors who do that are so arrogant to think that the rules which everyone follow are no good for them and don't owe an explanation to anyone ;-P Case in point The Abandoned An’ Forsaked - Did Superman's Parents Seriously Survive the Destruction of Krypton?
The #1 rule was to have a cover that will sell books
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 4, 2023 11:43:05 GMT -5
I’m going to go with the story in Batman #4 where he tells Robin that “we never kill ...”
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Post by zaku on Feb 4, 2023 12:26:45 GMT -5
I’m going to go with the story in Batman #4 where he tells Robin that “we never kill ...” Oh, this is quite simple to reconcile! He's lying.
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 4, 2023 12:37:20 GMT -5
By the way, since you're the OP, do you consider Alan Moore's Swamp Thing a "continuity violation" or a retcon? Or for you there is no difference between the two concepts? It’s only a continuity violation if it says something never happened. Then I suppose the Silver Age return of the original Human Torch with an explanation about what happened to him after WW2 is a violation, since its saying the late Golden Age Torch stories did not happen?
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Post by zaku on Feb 4, 2023 12:52:22 GMT -5
It’s only a continuity violation if it says something never happened. Then I suppose the Silver Age return of the original Human Torch with an explanation about what happened to him after WW2 is a violation, since its saying the late Golden Age Torch stories did not happen? But they retconneted it so it's all ok. From the Wiki. Post World War IIThough the original Captain America and his sidekick Bucky were seemingly killed in action, secret replacements for them served alongside the Torch and the rest of the Invaders in the All-Winners Squad during the postwar years. In 1949, an American criminal the Crime Boss, seeking to destroy the Torch, obtained a chemical known as Solution X-R from Russians.He sprayed the solution over the Torch and Toro, dousing their flame and paralyzing them. The criminals then buried the Torch beneath the Nevada desert.[46] However, they had accidentally chosen to bury him beneath a future atomic testing site.[45][1] 1950s
In late 1953, the blast of an atomic bomb dropped on the site freed the Torch, and the radiation reactivated his flame. The Torch resumed his crime-fighting career and his partnership with Toro. But in late 1955, the Human Torch sensed that the radiation from the bomb was causing him to lose control of his flame and that he would be dangerous to others. After bidding farewell to Toro, the Torch burned his way underground of the Southwest desert to deactivate. Modern Age
Immortus
Following the defeat and deactivation of the original Torch, his corpse was split into two chronal duplicates by the time traveler Immortus.[47] The first duplicate was discovered by the criminal genius called the Mad Thinker, one of the world's leading experts on robotics and androids. Using his knowledge of androids, the Thinker restored most of the Torch's original synthetic tissue and nervous system. The Thinker partially restored the android's memories but coerced the Torch into battling the Thinker's enemies, the Fantastic Four (which counted a new Human Torch among their number). On realizing the implications of what the Thinker wanted him to do, the Torch sacrificed his artificial life to save the Fantastic Four from a sneak attack by the Thinker's computer Quasimodo. The Thinker fled, and the Fantastic Four left the Torch's body in the Thinker's laboratory in Nevada.[48] The other duplicate was recovered by the robot known as Ultron who sought to use the Torch as a vessel of revenge against his creator Henry Pym and the super-hero group known as the Avengers.[49] This recreation of the Human Torch became known as the Vision,[50] and ultimately became a long-time member of the Avengers. Avengers West Coast
The Mad Thinker buried the Torch in a nondescript grave. The hero team Avengers West Coast revived the Human Torch when in the course of investigating the Vision's origin. They invited the revived Torch to join their team, and he gratefully accepted.[51] However, he served for only a short time before taking a personal leave of absence, during which time he lost his powers to save the life of his aged comrade, Lady Crichton. He then semi-retired from adventuring and served as Head of Security for Oracle Inc.[52] Hammond later returned to join the Avengers' West Coast branch as a reserve member, and served alongside the team on a couple of adventures.
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Post by zaku on Feb 5, 2023 4:55:04 GMT -5
By the way, according to Dark Nights: Death Metal everything is in continuity. Everything. So DC stories which "violated continuity" don't exist. By definition.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 5:05:58 GMT -5
By the way, according to Dark Nights: Death Metal everything is in continuity. Everything. So DC stories which "violated continuity" don't exist. By definition. Sounds like a paradox…
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Post by zaku on Feb 5, 2023 6:05:08 GMT -5
By the way, according to Dark Nights: Death Metal everything is in continuity. Everything. So DC stories which "violated continuity" don't exist. By definition. Sounds like a paradox… Yep! It's INSANE! Joking aside, they said that every story happened somewhere in the Omniverse, or Hypertime, or whatever.
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Post by k7p5v on Feb 5, 2023 6:08:04 GMT -5
Then I suppose the Silver Age return of the original Human Torch with an explanation about what happened to him after WW2 is a violation, since its saying the late Golden Age Torch stories did not happen? But they retconneted it so it's all ok. From the Wiki. Post World War IIThough the original Captain America and his sidekick Bucky were seemingly killed in action, secret replacements for them served alongside the Torch and the rest of the Invaders in the All-Winners Squad during the postwar years. In 1949, an American criminal the Crime Boss, seeking to destroy the Torch, obtained a chemical known as Solution X-R from Russians.He sprayed the solution over the Torch and Toro, dousing their flame and paralyzing them. The criminals then buried the Torch beneath the Nevada desert.[46] However, they had accidentally chosen to bury him beneath a future atomic testing site.[45][1] 1950s
In late 1953, the blast of an atomic bomb dropped on the site freed the Torch, and the radiation reactivated his flame. The Torch resumed his crime-fighting career and his partnership with Toro. But in late 1955, the Human Torch sensed that the radiation from the bomb was causing him to lose control of his flame and that he would be dangerous to others. After bidding farewell to Toro, the Torch burned his way underground of the Southwest desert to deactivate. Modern Age
Immortus
Following the defeat and deactivation of the original Torch, his corpse was split into two chronal duplicates by the time traveler Immortus.[47] The first duplicate was discovered by the criminal genius called the Mad Thinker, one of the world's leading experts on robotics and androids. Using his knowledge of androids, the Thinker restored most of the Torch's original synthetic tissue and nervous system. The Thinker partially restored the android's memories but coerced the Torch into battling the Thinker's enemies, the Fantastic Four (which counted a new Human Torch among their number). On realizing the implications of what the Thinker wanted him to do, the Torch sacrificed his artificial life to save the Fantastic Four from a sneak attack by the Thinker's computer Quasimodo. The Thinker fled, and the Fantastic Four left the Torch's body in the Thinker's laboratory in Nevada.[48] The other duplicate was recovered by the robot known as Ultron who sought to use the Torch as a vessel of revenge against his creator Henry Pym and the super-hero group known as the Avengers.[49] This recreation of the Human Torch became known as the Vision,[50] and ultimately became a long-time member of the Avengers. Avengers West Coast
The Mad Thinker buried the Torch in a nondescript grave. The hero team Avengers West Coast revived the Human Torch when in the course of investigating the Vision's origin. They invited the revived Torch to join their team, and he gratefully accepted.[51] However, he served for only a short time before taking a personal leave of absence, during which time he lost his powers to save the life of his aged comrade, Lady Crichton. He then semi-retired from adventuring and served as Head of Security for Oracle Inc.[52] Hammond later returned to join the Avengers' West Coast branch as a reserve member, and served alongside the team on a couple of adventures. In addition, Hammond helped rebuild Heroes For Hire ( H4H) with Iron Fist after the "Onslaught Massacre"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 6:14:15 GMT -5
Yep! It's INSANE! Joking aside, they said that every story happened somewhere in the Omniverse, or Hypertime, or whatever. I don’t know what an Omniverse is. Well, I can guess, but I really don’t see what the difference between Omniverse and Multiverse would be…
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Post by zaku on Feb 5, 2023 6:17:08 GMT -5
Yep! It's INSANE! Joking aside, they said that every story happened somewhere in the Omniverse, or Hypertime, or whatever. I don’t know what an Omniverse is. Well, I can guess, but I really don’t see what the difference between Omniverse and Multiverse would be… The Multiverse is part of the Omniverse This article can help you dc.fandom.com/wiki/Omniverse
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 6:19:11 GMT -5
Thanks, although I’d have presumed the Omniverse and the Multiverse are one and the same.
You see, “every multiverse” seems almost akin to an oxymoron.
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