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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 22, 2022 17:34:58 GMT -5
54 and obviously voted bad. The plot is nonsensical. The scripting is sub-par. The art is fine if overcrowded. The production on the early issues was pathetic.
It set out to fix a non-existent problem. The follow-through was ludicrous. And the fallout in Infinite Crises and Mass Crossovers, though probably unanticipated, is one of the things that ultimately killed my interest in superhero funnybooks.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 22, 2022 17:46:05 GMT -5
I voted bad, only because it touched off a never ending reboot cycle that I don't like, but I think the concept was good.. they just chickened out on doing a full reboot and made a mess.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 22, 2022 18:01:58 GMT -5
Age: 51 Verdict: Good
By which I mean the series itself, reading it, was good. I was not a big DC reader at the time. I had relatively few (compared to Marvel) of their comics, and the only titles I sort of followed for any length of time were New Teen Titans and some satellite-era JLA. But even though there were issues among those that I really loved, I never warmed to becoming a full-on DC reader.
I hopped on to Crisis halfway through, with the death of Supergirl issue, and I liked it so much that I asked my local comic shop to get me the previous issues, which they did. Wow! As I mentioned in the other thread, this was the series that showed me how vast and interesting the DC universe really was.
The art, as I think we all agree, was spectacular. I was already a fan of George from JLA and Avengers, and this was him in his prime. The story, I think, is mostly great. Sure, there are a few awkward bits, and maybe not everything 100% makes sense, but considered the job Marv was hired to do, I think it is quite amazing.
I've re-read the whole thing in a hardcover collection (which includes The History of the DC Universe) and I still love it.
Did it need to be done? Well, that's a completely different question. I had some parts of JLA/JSA crossovers and I was not confused by the idea of multiple Earths. If they wanted to jettison the Silly Age they could have just not referred to it ever again.
I totally understand why those who loved the earlier eras hate what Crisis did. I didn't have that attachment at the time, though now I think it was maybe unfortunate. I like the idea of multiple Earths.
It did result in a Superman I was actually interested in reading, but that too could have been done with just a shift in company style and maybe some soft retcons.
But the series itself, on it's own--still love it.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 22, 2022 18:04:49 GMT -5
I voted bad, only because it touched off a never ending reboot cycle that I don't like, but I think the concept was good.. they just chickened out on doing a full reboot and made a mess. Yes, they never should have rebooted again and as far as I am concerned it is still post-Crisis!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 18:18:49 GMT -5
Again, really appreciate all the opinions here. I knew there was risk this would be a topic that has been exceedingly recycled (and I'm sure will be again). I'm not sure if my age hypothesis in hindsight was very insightful (maybe a little early on to say that), but regardless, the comments here and in the other thread badwolf mentioned have been enlightening and enjoyable. I think maybe I was challenging myself with the assumption most people my age and above tend to hate on Crisis, but I can now see more the different angles folks are coming from, and that's cool too.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Mar 22, 2022 18:29:23 GMT -5
Can't really find a slot in the poll that suitably applies to me for two main reasons: 1) to this day, I've never actually read COIE as it appeared during my first big hiatus from comics and I never bothered reading it subsequently. At this point, I'm not really even interested any more. 2) my stance on it also changed over time - back then, while I never read it, I knew about it and generally thought rebooting the DC universe seemed like a good idea. And when I started reading comics again not long after Crisis concluded, it seemed to have injected a new vigor to a few DC properties (Superman, Wonder Woman and the Justice League mainly come to mind here). But as time passed, I realized that it wasn't such a good thing after all - and it kind of permanently f-ed up what were probably DC's best superhero properties prior to it, like the Legion and Teen Titans (poor Wonder Girl!) and also great characters like Power Girl and Huntress. Anyway, for what it's worth, I'm in the 50-59 age group.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 22, 2022 21:45:59 GMT -5
55 and I voted good; but, only on the basis of the mini-series, itself. I look at it separate from what happened after and whatever happened in individual titles. I wasn't really following any titles at the time it came out, as I had just started college and had interrupted my comic buying. However, I enjoyed the mini-series, for itself, regardless of what happened outside those pages. Loved Perez's art and was pretty cool with the story.
Now, after that, it's a complicated story. I liked the revamp of Superman, initially, though not everything. Wonder Woman's relaunch was very good. Batman was mostly unaffected. I did like the Charlton additions, particularly the early captain Atom and The Question. I didn't really pick up Blue Beetle, but loved him in Justice League. I liked the creative energy at work, at DC, after the event. I started picking up a lot of titles.
At the same time, I didn't like what happened to the JSA and missed Earth-2. I could do without the other Earths; but, there was something special about the Earth-1/Earth-2 relationship. I was not happy when the JSA were taken off the table, for a few years. I liked some of what Len Strazewski did, after they brought them back; but didn't feel anyone truly got them, until James Robinson came to work for DC.
I really do wish DC had started the post-Crisis universe from scratch, so there could have been a better consistency and better links between the Golden Age heroes and those that followed. History of the DC Universe gave a decent blueprint to follow, though I didn't necessarily like every idea in it. The broader history, yes; some individual pieces, no.
I've never been happy with the non-superhero characters living in the same universe as superheroes. Better to let those books be their own little world.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 7:18:52 GMT -5
54 and obviously voted bad. The plot is nonsensical. The scripting is sub-par. The art is fine if overcrowded. The production on the early issues was pathetic. It set out to fix a non-existent problem. The follow-through was ludicrous. And the fallout in Infinite Crises and Mass Crossovers, though probably unanticipated, is one of the things that ultimately killed my interest in superhero funnybooks. What he said. I was born in 1980. I would have been too young to comprehend CRISIS. I read it years later (90s, I guess), as part of a reprint. So I came late to the party. I have read up on much DC history, and like to believe I am the kind of person who gets historical context, whether it be wrestling, sports, comics, etc. It was hard on the eyes a tad. Too much happening constantly. Felt a little burn out. Like celebrating Christmas Day 7 days in a row and having a 4-course meal each day. Less is more (something I try to live by), and, as stated, I felt burnt out after reading it. Some of it stands out, and I guess it added to my knowledge of DC. In the pre-internet age, I was intrigued by some characters, which led me to seek them out. Ultimately, it was, as Slam stated, unnecessary.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 7:36:01 GMT -5
While, as stated earlier, I did vote "bad" for a variety of reasons, I will say I fully acknowledge there were problems in the world of DC at that point.
A glaring one for me was Barry Allen. I thought the death of Iris was terrible, and the continued downward spiral of events after that. I also don't like how they used it to divide the JLA when voting on his fate in the League. Crisis at least gave Barry the opportunity to be "redeemed" as the hero he always was, and just put an end to the depressing run for years in his series. Plus, much as Barry was "my Flash" growing up, Wally ended up being a great successor and his series had a lot of high points even though I'm not normally a big post-Crisis reader.
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Post by tartanphantom on Mar 23, 2022 7:44:10 GMT -5
Bought it off the stands when it came out. Art was good, story was crap. Long-term repercussions were disastrous. The only upside for me was that, in retrospect, Wally West turned out to be a pretty good Flash-- for the next 3-4 years at least.
All this happened because someone's "Auntie Monitor" got into a tiff at the cosmic beauty parlor, and now @jaska is pigeon-holing me into an AARP benefit classification, so I voted as a 14-yr old instead. Nyeah! Overall, I give it a historical Caesar "Thumbs Down".
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Post by MDG on Mar 23, 2022 7:52:36 GMT -5
I'm 63 and called it bad. The loss of Earth 2 and the GA versions of Supes, Bats, and WW was unforgivable.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 8:31:59 GMT -5
(...) and now @jaska is pigeon-holing me into an AARP benefit classification, so I voted as a 14-yr old instead. Nyeah! What, and you don't want those sweet discounts? I can't wait to get my "Golden Buckeye" discount card (yes, that's a real thing here)...cheap bus fare, coffee, etc. I tell that to my wife all the time, and she just shakes her head. Although, she shakes her head at a lot of things I say...
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Post by tartanphantom on Mar 23, 2022 8:42:08 GMT -5
(...) and now @jaska is pigeon-holing me into an AARP benefit classification, so I voted as a 14-yr old instead. Nyeah! What, and you don't want those sweet discounts? I can't wait to get my "Golden Buckeye" discount card (yes, that's a real thing here)...cheap bus fare, coffee, etc. I tell that to my wife all the time, and she just shakes her head. Although, she shakes her head at a lot of things I say...
Since I grew my beard and moustache out and buzz-cut my hair, and it's all going silver, I get most of the discounts without asking. Looking more and more like Gabby Hayes by the day...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 8:48:34 GMT -5
tartanphantom - aw see, now I thought you were coming over to the "dark side" and becoming a fellow rocker:
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 23, 2022 9:32:33 GMT -5
I’m 58 and I voted bad.
I bought the first six issues as they came out and then ... I just stopped. Nice art but the story was a mess, despite a few nice moments here and there.
A few years ago, I got the COIE tpb from the library and finally read the whole thing. I really like the villains issue. But otherwise, I’m not a fan.
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