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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 8:46:21 GMT -5
driver1980 - and anybody else interested on the topic of Super Powers minicomics. Saw this "homebrew" version on eBay also listed on Etsy. www.ebay.com/itm/363704976546?hash=item54ae8184a2:g:8UEAAOSwHSdh3v-gIt also made me think more how I would ideally like to see this "officially" released by DC. When the Masters of the Universe minicomics collection was released (same idea, minicomics originally included with the action figures), they did enlarge them (the Super Powers collection above looks to be original scale). Much as I love the nostalgia of the originals, my older eyes wouldn't mind something a little easier to read!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 9:08:43 GMT -5
They need to do it. I, too, have the MOTU mini-comics. Wish they’d do the M.A.S.K. ones, too, although a) I’m not sure every M.A.S.K. vehicle/figure got one, and b) I am not sure that franchise is hot or as well-remembered in 2022, especially after what I consider to be the IDW debacle.
But when you have a willing customer like me (one of many, I’m sure), why not take my money?
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Post by shaxper on Mar 29, 2022 9:16:18 GMT -5
I LOVE the Super Powers AND MOTU comics, but I don't think of them as comics. I store them with my action figures. The art is fun (especially MOTU), but the writing is far too simplistic and juvenile, so it's never even occurred to me to store them with my comics or even truly consider them "comic books". I also store my Power Records with my records, even though those include comics too.
Actually, it would be really cool to start collecting the Power Records comics and have them include a code for accessing mp3s of the records online.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 11:04:58 GMT -5
I LOVE the Super Powers AND MOTU comics, but I don't think of them as comics. I store them with my action figures. The art is fun (especially MOTU), but the writing is far too simplistic and juvenile, so it's never even occurred to me to store them with my comics or even truly consider them "comic books". I also store my Power Records with my records, even though those include comics too. Actually, it would be really cool to start collecting the Power Records comics and have them include a code for accessing mp3s of the records online. Most of the Power Records are available on youtube if you want to listen to them. And one of the guys I know from the Mego forums contributes to a podcast about the Power Records. -M
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Post by zaku on Mar 29, 2022 12:19:21 GMT -5
About Hawkman. Actually, all the continuity mess with him is not Crisis's fault. Immediately after Crisis his story had remained practically unchanged. indeed, some stories came out with him as the protagonist even after the release of the maxi-series. The problem came when (for some reason) they decided that Hawk World, the miniseries that chronicled his origins, occurred chronologically after Crisis. Suddenly they found themselves having to justify all past apparitions of him! That was Mike Gold's decision. You can read more about it here -- www.dcinthe80s.com/2016/06/the-hawkworld-ongoing-series-continuity.html Thank you, but the link is dead... You can't absolve Crisis that easily, however! There was a ripple effect that began with Crisis. In the case of Donna Troy, Wolfman worked so hard to create a backstory for her in Titans, and yet he was the one who destroyed it. If I remember correctly, the problem with Donna Troy was due to the fact the the new Wonder Woman debuted in the Man's World AFTER Crisis, while the former was already operative BEFORE Crisis, even in the new continuity. So, was it a Wolfman's decision to place WW's origin after Crisis?
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Post by commond on Mar 29, 2022 18:06:16 GMT -5
The link should be working now. Try this -- www.dcinthe80s.com/2016/06/the-hawkworld-ongoing-series-continuity.htmlThe entire point of Crisis was to wipe out all continuity and start over again. All of the DC books were supposed to start from #1 from January, 1986 (a familiar concept, huh?), but Dick Giordano didn't think they had the creative talent to create every book from scratch. To that end, it wouldn't have mattered what happened to Donna Troy, or any one else, as all of the characters would have had new origins. Wolfman was very much influenced by the introduction of the Silver Age heroes. He believed that the continuity should be reset every 25 years or so, but the Silver Age reboot was unique in the sense that the characters and the genre had largely disappeared. If the DC characters had disappeared in the 70s and been brought back in the 80s it would have more palatable than a seismic shift at the end of '85. Personally, I don't think Crisis was necessary. All they needed to do was get new creative talent on the books, and take the characters in a different direction without worrying about previous continuity. There's no reason Byrne couldn't have overhauled Superman the same way he did the Fantastic Four. Guys like Frank Miller and Alan Moore were able to do it. Perez could have done it. Look at what Gil Kane tried to do with Atom. There are plenty of examples throughout the Bronze Age into the early 80s of creators reimagining books. The X-Men is a perfect example of that. Who cares if a few letterhacks get their nose out of joint? DC needed more runs like New Titans and Legion of Superheroes, not streamlined continuity. Did new readers of those books care about 50 years of DC's continuity? I doubt it. But to answer your question, Wolfman was perfectly willing to stick the knife to Donna Troy and everything he had created with Titans.
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Post by Ozymandias on Apr 1, 2022 4:22:38 GMT -5
I liked that it allowed me to enjoy 10 years of DC. I had read a few things before that, but nothing stuck, then came the 90's in full swing and barely held onto Marvel. I understand that long time DC fans feel it was the wrong path. As for:
While CA was the figurehead of the GA revival, we also had Namor, Namora, the Red Skull, Toro, Patsy Walker, Jimmy Woo, Yellow Claw, Dorma and "Bucky"
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Post by Marv-El on Apr 1, 2022 15:20:23 GMT -5
ALSO: Concerning the timing of Crisis.... ("Why did they wait 8 years after Superman the Movie to do crisis?") Superman the Movie was a huge hit, the sequels, while profitable, were of diminishing returns. The cash cow was dying, and no one could understand why. So, as Superman IV died, and Superman V couldn't get off the ground, eight years later, enter Crisis. And which character got the most notable revision/reboot? Superman. To WB, he was the ONLY character they knew could carry a movie/franchise, and wanted him to be rejuvenated. His reboot was really the only character to get a full-on high profile reboot. Sure, WW, Batman, and others were either sorta rebooted or gussied up, sometimes years later, but Superman was the real deal. In his intro for the CoIE TPB, Wolfman makes some interesting comments, one of which is that, after DC initially okayed his pitch for this sweeping mini, they announced Crisis at a NYC convention in 1981. However, he claims that researching ' DC's long and convoluted history' kept him busy for quite awhile which eventually lead them to delay releasing it till '85 which was also DC's 50th anniversary year. Granted, that's his own perspective so take that for you will if there were other editorial concerns that may have factored into Crisis' eventual release date too. Also from the intro, Wolfman writes that the initial spark for Crisis came from a reply he gave to a fan letter as editor of Green Lantern in which the fan had a question of a mix-up in DC continuity. While he doesn't say what the actual complaint was, his reply is telling, "One day we (meaning the DC editorial we) will probably straighten out what is in the DC Universe...and what is outside"
But in terms of dealing with Golden Age continuity and thus having a DC multiverse to justify it, Wolfman's explanation for cleaning house, trying to streamline the canon was to make over DC for new readers, to try and broaden the base for which they can jump on without worrying about excess material that may only have been relevant to older readers. He writes, "My generation was lucky. The superheroes began all over again in the late '50s and early '60s. We didn't worry about 1940s continuity. Most of us, in fact, didn't even know about the old heroes when we began reading comics. Every generation of comic-book readers deserves to have the comics belong to them, not to their older siblings and parents."
Okay, so as a youngster, if Wolfman and his generation didn't know or didn't care about the Golden Age to enjoy the comics at their time then why did DC feel it necessary to bring those characters back? The time gap between the two ages doesn't appear to be that large, what, ten years or so perhaps? To appease those older readers who did know about the Golden Age? It seems strange that if DC was essentially rebooting their characters for a new age that they would complicate matters by reintroducing older versions of the same heroes. Other than for hopefully making more sales that is. Another question, Showcase #4, first appearance of Barry Allen, is generally seen as the start of the Silver Age. Yet Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman had been printed continuously throughout. So in terms of their own titles, what issue(s) are generally regarded as the break point between their Golden Age version and their Silver Age version? Always been a tad confused on that point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 15:40:34 GMT -5
Another question, Showcase #4, first appearance of Barry Allen, is generally seen as the start of the Silver Age. Yet Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman had been printed continuously throughout. So in terms of their own titles, what issue(s) are generally regarded as the break point between their Golden Age version and their Silver Age version? Always been a tad confused on that point. So that's always been the trick a bit at least from a superheroes titles perspective. The Golden Age is sometimes listed broadly as going up until '56 with that first Barry Allen appearance. But despite the 3 DC flagship characters being published throughout the 50's, most of the other Golden Age superheroes were done by the start of the 50's (1951 as an example being the final appearances of GL and Flash with a decline leading up to that). If you keep that lens, the attempt to create a "mezzanine" period during the 50's, like with the term "Atomic Age" that has been thrown out as a concept, has some merit. And you could argue Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman fall into that. But while the superhero genre largely gave way at the end of the 40's with a few notable exceptions, there are other genres to consider during the 50's. I think for instance about EC Comics and the horror genre, and their successes until Seduction of the Innocent and the formation of the Comic Code Authority in 1954. This would have significant impact on "allowable" content in the major comic books, and feels like another important demarcation line from the Golden Age to the Silver. Take a look at the changes to Batman as a result, adding in things like Batwoman (also 1956), etc. So a few factors in play by the time the mid-50's rolled around. I definitely don't think of the DC Big 3 as Silver Age prior to 1956, but whether you use the labels "late Golden Age" or "Atomic", it captures I think the general nature of the content at that point. EDIT: That may be way more than you were actually asking for. In simpler terms, Action #241 from 1958 with the Fortress of Solitude is a key issue, and would be followed shortly by other iconic Silver Age moments like first Brainiac, Supergirl etc. Batwoman first appeared in Detective #233 in 1956. Others here will no doubt have some expertise to add (and maybe can speak to Wonder Woman). But it's not a "hard break" between periods.
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