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Post by james on May 17, 2021 14:37:19 GMT -5
I was listening to IFANBOY a week ago and they mentioned how Superman's originally was found and brought to a foster home but Ma and Pa Kent were retconned and as we know became THE origin of Superman. This blew my mind!!! I wonder how the comic would have been different. With that said are there any other origins that had been changed and the new origins themselves have become iconic.
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Post by Graphic Autist on May 17, 2021 14:47:39 GMT -5
Batman can beat Superman because Kryptonite (thanks a lot, Frank Miller.)
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Post by badwolf on May 17, 2021 14:52:03 GMT -5
Batman can beat Superman because Kryptonite (thanks a lot, Frank Miller.) If Metallo can do it then why not Batman (or Green Arrow)?
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Post by Duragizer on May 17, 2021 14:53:03 GMT -5
Thor being the actual god Thor. At first, he was just Donald Blake empowered by Thor's hammer.
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Post by Graphic Autist on May 17, 2021 14:55:43 GMT -5
Batman can beat Superman because Kryptonite (thanks a lot, Frank Miller.) If Metallo can do it then why not Batman (or Green Arrow)?
I have no problem with Batman being ABLE to do it, but ever since 1986 every batfanboy the world over will tell you Batman can beat Superman in a fight.
Hell, if I had Kryptonite, so could I. Doesn't make it true, though. And I realize how silly everything I'm saying actually is.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 15:07:30 GMT -5
Captain America being frozen in ice in WWII and Bucky being killed rather than both of them fighting the good fight until their mag was cancelled in the 50's.
-M
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Post by tarkintino on May 17, 2021 16:03:56 GMT -5
Captain America being frozen in ice in WWII and Bucky being killed rather than both of them fighting the good fight until their mag was cancelled in the 50's. -M Arguably the greatest retcon ever committed to a comic. Both Captain America and Bucky were given a larger, tragic status by that retconned storyline that would have been possible if Marvel simply had one or both just show up in the Silver Age era for other reasons.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 17, 2021 16:27:25 GMT -5
I don't know if this qualifies as a retcon, but it's probably known the world over.
The murderer of Thomas and Martha Wayne, according to the 1989 Batman movie, was Jack Napier, who would one day become the Joker.
Not a good move, IYAM, though I can see why they would do that for the movie. I wonder if that ever became accepted in the comic books. By 1989 I wasn't following continuity too closely.
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Post by chadwilliam on May 17, 2021 16:48:07 GMT -5
Ones which always immediately come to mind:
1. Ma and Pa no longer being Clark's adoptive parents, but his biological ones (well, as far as the world knows). I've long thought that it would have made a fun story for a gangster or someone to try and pass himself off as Clark's biological father who wants to meet up with the son he put up for adoption not knowing that his "son" would be onto him right away but unable to reveal this knowledge without compromising his secret identity.
2. Alfred raising Bruce Wayne. In truth, Alfred didn't show up on the scene until after Wayne had already taken in Dick Grayson and was such a buffoon that had he ever attempted to adopt anyone anywhere, would hopefully have been rejected due to his obvious incompetence.
3. Superman and Batman have always had a code against killing. Obviously not the case.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 17, 2021 17:24:26 GMT -5
chadwilliam's post reminded me that for a while, anyway, Alfred turns out to have been a British intelligence agent. And he was Mlle. Marie's lover. And they had a child, Julia Remarque. Who's been retconned out of existence, maybe with Mopee. But then, wasn't Mlle. Marie also the lover of Sgt. Rock, and didn't she have a child by him? So many retcons, so little time.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 17, 2021 22:02:23 GMT -5
The Napier thing was not brought into any comics I saw, but did turn up in one of those Batman prose anthologies. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, did sort of borrow the idea for the Joker, as he was a minor hood for mobster Salvatore Valestra, before the accident that transformed him and Valestra brings him into the story, in the present, which sees Joker face Batman and Phantasm (who is a swipe of Mike Barr's Grim Reaper, no matter what DC and Warner say), in the climax.
Wonder Woman taking the identity Dian Prince and/or just being Princess Diana, in Man's World, rather than borrowing the identity of the real Diana Prince, as in the 40s. That was more of a revamp (Earth-1 and Post-Crisis) than a retcon; but, it became the norm, though the original has a certain logic to it.
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Post by Dizzy D on May 18, 2021 2:05:30 GMT -5
- Cerebro being a device that requires a telepath to use. In the Lee/Kirby issues, Cerebro was a computer that worked independently and required no user. Xavier did have a helmet that amplified his telepathic powers that he used on other occasions, but the two devices were unconnected. (After Xavier's 'death', Cyclops and Beast certainly had no problems using Cerebro to track mutants even with Jean not present). During the revamp by Claremont, the form of Cerebro with the helmet was retconned in and that version has stayed with the series.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 18, 2021 5:43:55 GMT -5
Galactus being the sole survivor of a previous universe, and being reborn during the Big Bang as one of nature's major forces.
Originally he was just an alien dude exposed to too much radiation when his planet died. (But then, who wasn't, back then?)
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Post by foxley on May 18, 2021 5:53:48 GMT -5
Wonder Woman being formed out of clay comes from George Perez's complete overhaul of the WW mythos for the books relaunch in 1987.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 18, 2021 8:24:46 GMT -5
Wonder Woman being formed out of clay comes from George Perez's complete overhaul of the WW mythos for the books relaunch in 1987. Nope. Although it doesn't specify clay as the medium, the idea of Diana being a statue brought to life by Aphrodite dates back to Marston and Peter's origin story from Wonder Woman #1 (Summer 1942).
Cei-U! I summon the petrified pedigree!
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