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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 18, 2021 8:30:30 GMT -5
A recent one: Frost Giants (and baby Loki) being blue.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 18, 2021 8:38:50 GMT -5
Uncle Ben having said "with great power comes great responsibility".
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Post by MWGallaher on May 18, 2021 8:49:33 GMT -5
Aquaman was initially not a hybrid human/Atlantean, but a human whose widower father trained him(!) to breath underwater using scientific secrets he discovered in the ruins of the lost undersea kingdom of Atlantis.
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Post by badwolf on May 18, 2021 9:56:27 GMT -5
Wonder Woman taking the identity Dian Prince and/or just being Princess Diana, in Man's World, rather than borrowing the identity of the real Diana Prince, as in the 40s. That was more of a revamp (Earth-1 and Post-Crisis) than a retcon; but, it became the norm, though the original has a certain logic to it. I liked how in the movie she started to say she was "Diana, princess..." and Etta jumped in and said "Prince. Diana Prince."
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Post by profh0011 on May 18, 2021 11:20:27 GMT -5
Thor being the actual god Thor. At first, he was just Donald Blake empowered by Thor's hammer. What flipped me out was reading WEIRD COMICS #1 (Fox Publications / April 1940) which had its own "THOR" series. The GCD sypnopsis reads: "Thor, the son of Odin, chooses a mortal, Grant Farrel, and imbues him with the God of Thunder's powers and abilities. Thereafter, Grant is known as Thor when he changes shape and assumes the form and powers of the Thunder God."
The Grant / Glenda / Thor relationship is a lot like that of Clark / Lois / Superman, except, if memory serves, Grant realizes Glenda isn't worth his time! I got a kick out of that.
The Don Blake / Jane Foster / Thor triangle-of-sorts from Jack Kirby's series does seem like it could have been borrowed from that. With Thor's blue outfit & red cape, I'd always imagined he was doing his own Clark-Lois-Superman thing (and maybe he was), but it's funny to see he wasn't the only one.
That's giving it back to her! (heh)
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Post by tonebone on May 18, 2021 12:59:29 GMT -5
I don't know if this qualifies as a retcon, but it's probably known the world over. The murderer of Thomas and Martha Wayne, according to the 1989 Batman movie, was Jack Napier, who would one day become the Joker. Not a good move, IYAM, though I can see why they would do that for the movie. I wonder if that ever became accepted in the comic books. By 1989 I wasn't following continuity too closely. Jeez... I hated, and still hate, that movie. The "clever" twist you cite was a big part of my hate.
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Post by tonebone on May 18, 2021 13:02:53 GMT -5
Wonder Woman being formed out of clay comes from George Perez's complete overhaul of the WW mythos for the books relaunch in 1987. Nope. Although it doesn't specify clay as the medium, the idea of Diana being a statue brought to life by Aphrodite dates back to Marston and Peter's origin story from Wonder Woman #1 (Summer 1942).
Cei-U! I summon the petrified pedigree!
Yep... I didn't read a whole lot of WW in my childhood, but I did have that story in one of those fat reprint dollar comics back in the day.
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Post by The Cheat on May 18, 2021 13:21:26 GMT -5
2. Alfred raising Bruce Wayne. In truth, Alfred didn't show up on the scene until after Wayne had already taken in Dick Grayson and was such a buffoon that had he ever attempted to adopt anyone anywhere, would hopefully have been rejected due to his obvious incompetence. Different Alfred wasn't it? Alfred... I want to say Beagle? He made a re-appearance during Zero Hour.
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Post by chadwilliam on May 18, 2021 15:47:24 GMT -5
2. Alfred raising Bruce Wayne. In truth, Alfred didn't show up on the scene until after Wayne had already taken in Dick Grayson and was such a buffoon that had he ever attempted to adopt anyone anywhere, would hopefully have been rejected due to his obvious incompetence. Different Alfred wasn't it? Alfred... I want to say Beagle? He made a re-appearance during Zero Hour. No, same Alfred - he was given the Beagle surname at one point (and only in one issue, I believe) which was either forgotten or changed when Batman 216 provided him with the name Pennyworth. Speaking of which, some other name changes include: - Harvey Dent was originally Harvey Kent - Mr. Mxyzptlk was Mxyztplk - Martha and Jonathan Kent were originally Mary and Eben, then later Sarah and Eben, then Martha in the 1948 serial, Marthe in the comics, and finally, Martha and Jonathan (after being called "John"). Of course, these would later been explained as Earth One/Earth Two differences and not inconsistences at all, which brings up possibly the biggest retcon of them all - that most DC stories from 1935-1955 happened on earth 2 while those published from 1956-86 transpired on earth One. Works for characters such as The Flash and Green Lantern, but makes no sense for characters such as Superman and Batman. Strange to think that a Superman story from, say, 1958 was being written by someone completely oblivious to the idea that he wasn't actually writing Superman, but an alternate version of the character he only thought he was writing.
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Post by foxley on May 18, 2021 16:21:51 GMT -5
Wonder Woman being formed out of clay comes from George Perez's complete overhaul of the WW mythos for the books relaunch in 1987. Nope. Although it doesn't specify clay as the medium, the idea of Diana being a statue brought to life by Aphrodite dates back to Marston and Peter's origin story from Wonder Woman #1 (Summer 1942).
Cei-U! I summon the petrified pedigree!
Whoops! Chalk another one to my notoriously faulty memory.
However, this one I am more certain of. In the original superman story, Superman's powers were not the result of the yellow sun and Earth's lower gravity, but natural abilities possessed by all the inhabitants of Krypton.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 18, 2021 16:39:11 GMT -5
Nope. Although it doesn't specify clay as the medium, the idea of Diana being a statue brought to life by Aphrodite dates back to Marston and Peter's origin story from Wonder Woman #1 (Summer 1942).
Cei-U! I summon the petrified pedigree!
Whoops! Chalk another one to my notoriously faulty memory.
However, this one I am more certain of. In the original superman story, Superman's powers were not the result of the yellow sun and Earth's lower gravity, but natural abilities possessed by all the inhabitants of Krypton.
You are correct, sir. That's always been my preferred explanation for Superman's powers, which is why I used it for his backstory in Lash House. The gravity/yellow sun thing makes far less sense.
Cei-U! I summon the simplest solution!
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Post by Hoosier X on May 18, 2021 21:59:29 GMT -5
I don't know if this qualifies as a retcon, but it's probably known the world over. The murderer of Thomas and Martha Wayne, according to the 1989 Batman movie, was Jack Napier, who would one day become the Joker. Not a good move, IYAM, though I can see why they would do that for the movie. I wonder if that ever became accepted in the comic books. By 1989 I wasn't following continuity too closely. Jeez... I hated, and still hate, that movie. The "clever" twist you cite was a big part of my hate. Yeah. The 1989 Batman movie is pretty bad. I saw it several times when if first came out because my roommate loved it. And it just didn’t get any better or make any more sense.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 18, 2021 21:59:47 GMT -5
There! I said it!
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Post by Duragizer on May 18, 2021 22:53:13 GMT -5
Jeez... I hated, and still hate, that movie. The "clever" twist you cite was a big part of my hate. Yeah. The 1989 Batman movie is pretty bad. I saw it several times when if first came out because my roommate loved it. And it just didn’t get any better or make any more sense. Batman '89 is the only live-action Batman film I still enjoy to any real degree. Of course, I enjoy it more as a Joker movie than a Batman one.
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Post by foxley on May 19, 2021 5:26:07 GMT -5
This is technically another example of the Earth-2/Earth-1 split, but:
Oliver Queen gaining/honing his archery skills after being stranded on a desert island. Granted the exact details of the stranding vary from telling to telling, but the broad strokes version remains the same: even being used on Arrow.
However, Green Arrow's original origin was quite different. Oliver Queen was a wealthy collector of Native American artifacts (having been raised by a Native American tribe). After accidentally destroying his entire collection in a fire he started while trying to stop thieves who were attempting to steal it. At the urging of friends, he travels to Lost Mesa, which is supposed to be 'a lost goldmine' for Indian artifacts. In the kind of coincidence that happened all the time in golden age comics, the leader of the thieves overheard this conversation and interpreted the word 'goldmine' literally. The gang followed Queen to Lost Mesa. There Queen met Roy Harper, who had been raised by a elderly Native American following the death of his parents. The gang kills Roy's mentor, Oliver and Roy use their archery skills to defeat the gang--gaining the names 'Green Arrow' and 'Speedy' in the process from comments made by crooks--the gang dies in a rockfall, and Ollie and Roy discover and actual lost goldmine, allowing Ollie to reestablish the Queen family fortune.
Honestly, I think the island story is better. And has less unfortunate racial connotations.
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