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Post by Randle-El on May 24, 2016 16:06:01 GMT -5
If you browse original art dealers, a lot of times you'll find a page being sold in two forms -- the original pencilled version, and a copy of the pencils with inks applied. For artists like Michael Lark, I've seen art where the original pencils are only for the figures and action sequences. This later gets copied and composited over digital backgrounds and then inked.
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Post by Action Ace on May 24, 2016 16:37:40 GMT -5
My introduction to John Busema would have been the reprint of Avengers #58 "Even an Android Can Cry" in the Marvel Christmas Treasury Edition of 1976. I also got the Treasury Edition that reprinted Fantastic Four #120-123 that included that Gabriel splash page seen earlier. The last page of Avengers #58 with the Vision crying is still my favorite panel ever by him.
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Post by chaykinstevens on May 24, 2016 16:40:58 GMT -5
I always liked Buscema and Sinnott's 1975 convention poster, a version of which was given away with the first issue of Marvel UK's the Titans.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 24, 2016 18:12:04 GMT -5
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Post by Rob Allen on May 24, 2016 18:56:17 GMT -5
I always liked Buscema and Sinnott's 1975 convention poster, a version of which was given away with the first issue of Marvel UK's the Titans. I went to that convention.
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Post by MDG on May 25, 2016 8:21:41 GMT -5
This is probably a really stupid question, but it's one that I've wondered about for a while now. How are the pencils still able to be viewed, once the inking is done? I mean, I've always assumed that an inker inks directly on top of the artist's pencils -- on the same piece of board -- and thus conceals the pencils for all time. Given that the Buscema art above dates from before the internet and desktop scanners, how is it possible that we can still see images of the pencils, like those on the left of your post? Did comic company's used to take scans of the pencils for their own archives before the board was given to the inker and that's where images like those on the left of your post come from? The two simplest explanations are (a) we're looking at photocopies of the penciled art, before it was covered by the ink; (b) Bob lightboxed the pencils and put the ink on a new page. One of my friends works like that. Nowadays people could also scan the pencil work and ink digitally, thus preserving the original layouts. In general you're right, though: the pencils are destroyed by the inking (and by the subsequent erasing). Well into the 80s, it was pretty unusual to retain a copy of the pencils. McLeod probably made these copies himself, possibly: 1) to have a copy in case the originals were ruined or lost 2) to be able to showcase his inking skills to editors 3) to have try-out pages for students or assistants The earliest example of "saving the pencils" that I can think of is Greg Theakston inking Kirby's Super Powers pages on new boards using a lightbox.
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Post by Warmonger on May 25, 2016 10:16:46 GMT -5
Probably my favorite rendering of Mephisto
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Post by Warmonger on May 25, 2016 10:18:24 GMT -5
Self inked Conan piece
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Post by Farrar on May 25, 2016 10:30:49 GMT -5
Have always loved this incredible opening splash.
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Post by Farrar on May 25, 2016 11:50:39 GMT -5
John is famous for hating the work of most of his inkers. I had assumed that he disliked inkers whose own style was different from his own because they overwhelmed his clean and classic pencils : certainly, the lush work of Chan and Alcala makes the final result look like Chan and Alcala more than Buscema. But then John liked the work of Tom Palmer, Steve Gan and Tony DeZuniga, whose respective styles don't look like John's either... So I'm puzzled as to why he liked certain inkers and not others... To piggyback on RR's excellent post: Alter Ego #13 and #15 contain interviews/transcriptions from the SDCC 2001 Comic Con. Here are some excerpts in which Buscema discusses inkers/finishers and how they handle his work: Preferred Inkers/FinishersBasically, John B. says this about his preferred inkers/finishers:"That's what I like about an inker. If he can follow my stuff, I'm happy." He frequently praises Sal, Tom Palmer, and is unstinting in his admiration for Frank Giacoia: "Giacoia was fabulous...He could draw, so if he changed something, it didn't bother me because the only thing he could do is improve on it" and "He was brilliant." I have also read somewhere that he liked Dan Adkins' inks, and in AE #15 Sal says that John told him that "Dan Adkins is inking The Silver Surfer now and he is doing a beautiful job." AlcalaAs may already be well known on this board, he didn't like Alcala's inking on Conan. As quoted in the AEs: "Well, there was a guy who used to ink my Conans and he would love to draw eyelashes on the girls and he'd count them, I guess. And if I drew it, he'd often flatten it out and...jeez, I don't even want to talk about it" and "Alcala was a good artist, but he destroyed my drawing...He would put these eyelashes from 1930--" KleinMy own personal favorite Buscema inker (along with Sal) is George Klein, who teamed with him on several late-Silver Age classic Avengers issues. However Buscema seemed lukewarm when it came to Klein:"He did a very credible job, not bad" but also elsewhere "I wasn't too happy...it's not that George wasn't a good inker. We just didn't mesh." SinnottHe didn't care much for Sinnott inking his work: "Joe Sinnott was brilliant on Jack Kirby's stuff. But when he got onto my stuff, he just couldn't handle it" and "One of the things Sinnott did to my stuff--he would smooth out the figures. And my drawing had a lot of bumps, you know." In an interview with Sal B. (also in AE #15), Sal said: "Joe Sinnott did not ink John well. It was two different styles...go off a little bit with John's drawing and you're changing his drawings. And you don't do that with John."
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Post by Icctrombone on May 25, 2016 16:30:51 GMT -5
SinnottHe didn't care much for Sinnott inking his work: "Joe Sinnott was brilliant on Jack Kirby's stuff. But when he got onto my stuff, he just couldn't handle it" and "One of the things Sinnott did to my stuff--he would smooth out the figures. And my drawing had a lot of bumps, you know." Someone owes Vinnie Colleta an apology.
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Post by Warmonger on May 27, 2016 10:20:31 GMT -5
Sketch for the cover of Conan the Barbarian #101
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Post by Warmonger on May 27, 2016 10:28:13 GMT -5
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Post by Warmonger on May 27, 2016 10:36:00 GMT -5
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on May 27, 2016 18:08:03 GMT -5
Probably my favorite rendering of Mephisto
Where is this from??? Any issue in particular?
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