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Post by Warmonger on May 23, 2016 21:59:49 GMT -5
Can't believe no one has mentioned this one yet. Ha Yeah I remember my nephew had this on VHS in the early 90's.
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Post by berkley on May 23, 2016 22:18:59 GMT -5
Big fan of John Buscema, especially his work in Silver Surfer and the Avengers. Good Lord, I gotta get that!!! Must admit, that looks pretty good. I'm a bit surprised, because I didn't think J. Buscema did a very good job when he drew the Mangog in previous issues of Thor - somewhere around #200 and again in #250? - but this looks much better. Not to single out Buscema - I don't remember any examples of the Mangog being written or drawn effectively after that amazing 4-issue epic from the Kirby/Lee run in which he first appeared.
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Post by Warmonger on May 24, 2016 0:21:25 GMT -5
Big fan of John Buscema, especially his work in Silver Surfer and the Avengers. I literally just ordered this a few days ago. As soon as I found out it was an Englehart/Buscema Silver Surfer story I had to have it. It's a shame their proposed Surfer series never came to fruition. The only way that could've been any better is maybe if you had a Starlin/Buscema team-up on the title.
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Post by Warmonger on May 24, 2016 10:19:20 GMT -5
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Post by Warmonger on May 24, 2016 10:20:34 GMT -5
Another great self-inked panel from the early 90's one shot "Wolverine: Bloody Choices"
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Post by Warmonger on May 24, 2016 10:30:55 GMT -5
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Post by MDG on May 24, 2016 10:47:55 GMT -5
Some interesting examples from Bob McLeod's site of Buscema full pencils and breakdowns, and what the inker adds.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 24, 2016 11:01:11 GMT -5
Another great self-inked panel from the early 90's one shot "Wolverine: Bloody Choices" There's a little Joe Kubert in Buscema inking his pencils.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 11:11:30 GMT -5
Warmonger - Great Pictures and thanks for posting them today!
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Post by Bronze Age Brian on May 24, 2016 11:57:43 GMT -5
Big fan of John Buscema, especially his work in Silver Surfer and the Avengers. I literally just ordered this a few days ago. As soon as I found out it was an Englehart/Buscema Silver Surfer story I had to have it. It's a shame their proposed Surfer series never came to fruition. The only way that could've been any better is maybe if you had a Starlin/Buscema team-up on the title. It's a true Buscema hidden gem, and if you are a fan of his work on Silver Surfer it's a must have.
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Post by Confessor on May 24, 2016 13:12:34 GMT -5
Some interesting examples from Bob McLeod's site of Buscema full pencils and breakdowns, and what the inker adds. This is probably a really stupid question, but it's one that I've wondered about for a while now. How are the pencils still able to be viewed, once the inking is done? I mean, I've always assumed that an inker inks directly on top of the artist's pencils -- on the same piece of board -- and thus conceals the pencils for all time. Given that the Buscema art above dates from before the internet and desktop scanners, how is it possible that we can still see images of the pencils, like those on the left of your post? Did comic company's used to take scans of the pencils for their own archives before the board was given to the inker and that's where images like those on the left of your post come from?
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Post by Ozymandias on May 24, 2016 13:52:39 GMT -5
Some interesting examples from Bob McLeod's site of Buscema full pencils and breakdowns, and what the inker adds. This is probably a really stupid question, but it's one that I've wondered about for a while now. How are the pencils still able to be viewed, once the inking is done? I mean, I've always assumed that an inker inks directly on top of the artist's pencils -- on the same piece of board -- and thus conceals the pencils for all time. Given that the Buscema art above dates from before the internet and desktop scanners, how is it possible that we can still see images of the pencils, like those on the left of your post? Did comic company's used to take scans of the pencils for their own archives before the board was given to the inker and that's where images like those on the left of your post come from? Ok, I have no idea, but seeing how an inking mistake would ruin the page, I'd assume they gave the inkers a copy, to work with. Waiting for a real answer.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 14:44:14 GMT -5
Some interesting examples from Bob McLeod's site of Buscema full pencils and breakdowns, and what the inker adds. This is probably a really stupid question, but it's one that I've wondered about for a while now. How are the pencils still able to be viewed, once the inking is done? I mean, I've always assumed that an inker inks directly on top of the artist's pencils -- on the same piece of board -- and thus conceals the pencils for all time. Given that the Buscema art above dates from before the internet and desktop scanners, how is it possible that we can still see images of the pencils, like those on the left of your post? Did comic company's used to take scans of the pencils for their own archives before the board was given to the inker and that's where images like those on the left of your post come from? Companies often would make phototstats at various stages. Letterers at times would work from the photostats to do the lettering and then the balloons and caption boxes would be physically cut and pasted on the art boards (other times-though less often from what I have seen of pages form the time-MDG would know better-things were lettered directly on the boards) and colorists always used photostats to make the color guides. May artists would also make photostats before sending off the pages to the publisher, some would use stock poses from them with a lightbox for things like flashbacks/recaps or just to make things easier/quicker in the future. Oftentimes photostats would be discarded after the production work was done, but not always. The advent of digital files and scanning made what they were doing easier, but it didn't change the fundamental steps of the production process. -M
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 24, 2016 14:45:12 GMT -5
Some interesting examples from Bob McLeod's site of Buscema full pencils and breakdowns, and what the inker adds. This is probably a really stupid question, but it's one that I've wondered about for a while now. How are the pencils still able to be viewed, once the inking is done? I mean, I've always assumed that an inker inks directly on top of the artist's pencils -- on the same piece of board -- and thus conceals the pencils for all time. Given that the Buscema art above dates from before the internet and desktop scanners, how is it possible that we can still see images of the pencils, like those on the left of your post? Did comic company's used to take scans of the pencils for their own archives before the board was given to the inker and that's where images like those on the left of your post come from? The two simplest explanations are (a) we're looking at photocopies of the penciled art, before it was covered by the ink; (b) Bob lightboxed the pencils and put the ink on a new page. One of my friends works like that. Nowadays people could also scan the pencil work and ink digitally, thus preserving the original layouts. In general you're right, though: the pencils are destroyed by the inking (and by the subsequent erasing).
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 24, 2016 14:49:07 GMT -5
This is probably a really stupid question, but it's one that I've wondered about for a while now. How are the pencils still able to be viewed, once the inking is done? I mean, I've always assumed that an inker inks directly on top of the artist's pencils -- on the same piece of board -- and thus conceals the pencils for all time. Given that the Buscema art above dates from before the internet and desktop scanners, how is it possible that we can still see images of the pencils, like those on the left of your post? Did comic company's used to take scans of the pencils for their own archives before the board was given to the inker and that's where images like those on the left of your post come from? Ok, I have no idea, but seeing how an inking mistake would ruin the page, I'd assume they gave the inkers a copy, to work with. Waiting for a real answer. Giving the letterer and inker a non-photo blue photocopy to work on would actually be a very good idea. I wonder if some companies used that.
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