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Post by berkley on Feb 18, 2016 23:33:07 GMT -5
Even thought he's leading in most of the polls, I refuse to believe that Trump is REALLY running for the Republican nomination. It just feels ....sort of staged. Like he's doing a reality show. There. I said it. From your lips to GOP's ears. I have a feeling that that might not have been far off the mark when he first got into this thing: I've always seen him as more of a showman than a businessman - his overriding concern seems to be keeping himself in the spotlight at all costs. But when he realised he was actually leading the race I'm sure he became more serious about it. Still, even now, his actions often seem to be aimed at getting attention - any kind of attention, good if possible but if bad he'll take that too - more than getting votes. I think his worst nightmare would be that everyone stopped being interested in what he says or does. |
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Post by dupersuper on Feb 19, 2016 1:29:38 GMT -5
I have not watched it. Along with the other comments, I guess I am glad I never did. As for my participation in the thread on the subject .... I have never enjoyed a Tarantino movie and stopped after only three or four. In fact he was so annoying and obnoxious in Desperado that it was gratifying he wasn't in it long. Edit: Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown and Kill Bill. All bleh to boderline tolerable, which was Jackie Brown cause Pam Grier *rowr* I couldn't finish Django Unchained. I could tolerate Reservoir Dogs, and most of Pulp Fiction...but was well aware of the 'You MUST think Tarantino is a GENIUS or you SUCK!' vibe permeating both films. 'KIll Bill' is the one I never finished. Basically a snuff film...with martial arts. And lesbians. And lesbians doing martial arts. And each other. And killing. Each other. And everybody. After doing each other. Sometimes before. Sometimes during. Oh, and that f***ing 'WOO HOOO WOO HOO HOOOO' song that became the Vonage jingle. F** that movie twice just for that. Kill Bill had lesbians? |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Feb 19, 2016 14:55:21 GMT -5
I love pretty much all of his movies. No all of them are home runs, but every one is interesting. It's fine you don't like them. To each their own. But he's frequently...almost always, really...going for exploitation. Again it's hard to be mad at him for hitting his target. Im not necessarily mad at him anymore than I am at Croenburg for his repeated, body torture, I believe is the correct term, it's just my taste and an unpopular opinion as is the intent of the thread. The difference in watching Tarantino over Croenburg is that I've enjoyed a few of the latter' movies and none of the former. For what little it's worth, I have little to no interest in Tarantino films either. I think the last one of his I saw was From Dusk 'til Dawn. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 19, 2016 15:25:58 GMT -5
Which was a Robero Rodriguez movie, but a damn annoying one, I concur.
Tarantino movies I really don't mind, I just don't find those that important. I liked the longtavern conversation scene in Inglorious Basterds, I liked the cinematography in The Hatefull Eight. I guess I like his "stage play" like directors chops and don't really enjoy his pyrotechnic moves. I'm sure he'd be a great stage play producer.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Feb 19, 2016 15:30:04 GMT -5
Rodriguez can be just as bad as Tarantino, especially in the case of From Dusk Till Dawn. Hell there's still parts of Desparado I do not watch due to the gore and I've watched that movie so many times I almost know the time stamps of when I hit fast forward. (Including that horribly choreographed and sterile sex scene in that movie. Yuck. So cliche.)
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 19, 2016 15:49:13 GMT -5
Rodriguez can be just as bad as Tarantino, especially in the case of From Dusk Till Dawn. Hell there's still parts of Desparado I do not watch due to the gore and I've watched that movie so many times I almost know the time stamps of when I hit fast forward. (Including that horribly choreographed and sterile sex scene in that movie. Yuck. So cliche.) Rodriguez is a fun but terrible director, Tarantino is miles better than him on so many levels. I guess my fave Rodriguez movie would be the first Spy Kid movie, silly inventive fun, great for kids. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Feb 19, 2016 16:01:43 GMT -5
Rodriguez can be just as bad as Tarantino, especially in the case of From Dusk Till Dawn. Hell there's still parts of Desparado I do not watch due to the gore and I've watched that movie so many times I almost know the time stamps of when I hit fast forward. (Including that horribly choreographed and sterile sex scene in that movie. Yuck. So cliche.) Rodriguez is a fun but terrible director, Tarantino is miles better than him on so many levels. I guess my fave Rodriguez movie would be the first Spy Kid movie, silly inventive fun, great for kids. I meant the comparison strictly in his use of gory violence, not necessarily in his skills level. And Spy Kid was a good movie. Hadn't realized he directed it though till you mentioned it. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 19, 2016 16:09:54 GMT -5
Hmmm. What is your threshold in regard to gore/violence in movies?
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Post by DE Sinclair on Feb 19, 2016 16:13:38 GMT -5
Which was a Robero Rodriguez movie, but a damn annoying one, I concur. Tarantino movies I really don't mind, I just don't find those that important. I liked the longtavern conversation scene in Inglorious Basterds, I liked the cinematography in The Hatefull Eight. I guess I like his "stage play" like directors chops and don't really enjoy his pyrotechnic moves. I'm sure he'd be a great stage play producer. OK, I forgot about Inglorious Basterds. I did see that. It was ok but not something I'd bother to watch again. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 19, 2016 16:30:03 GMT -5
Well, all in all Tarantino has only made 8 movies so far if I remember correctly
Reservoir Dogs
Pulp Fiction
Jackie Brown
Kill Bill
Death Proof
Inglorious Basterds
Django
The Hatefull Eight
I guess the ones I'd be interested in rewatching would be Reservoir dogs (haven't seen it since its release 24 years ago), Death Proof and The Hatefull Eight. I've enjoyed most upon watching them, but maybe didn't find enough substance to my tastes.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Feb 19, 2016 16:32:53 GMT -5
Hmmm. What is your threshold in regard to gore/violence in movies? I think a lot of what I dislike about over the top violence is what it's intent is. Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the original, I went into watching (for the first time as an adult, 5-6 years ago) knowing what the movie was about. And it lived up to being a horror movie. Whereas the remake was a gore fest for nothing more than being just that. Alien is one of my favorite movies, as it employes other film techniques besides gore to horrify the audience. The chestburster scene being key to moving the story along, while gory, wasn't just there for that sake. As oppose to a lot of the over the top gory deaths of Resurrection. (Especially when we had chestbursters in the PG-13 Aliens vs Predator.) It's not just the gore itself, but my assessment of it being a necessary visual for the story or character development or needed to drive the intent of the antagonist. And gore in of itself isn't a turn off to a movie, it's usually when it's because of an act of particularly sadist violence. The gore just seems to be the visually byproduct of the sadist act, which in of itself, is what I don't want to see. There is a level of sadism in an antagonist (or protagonist too) that I just can't watch. Like when Frank in Hellraiser was resurrected with the dead men's blood that Julia brought him, doesn't bother me. However him being hooked and literally ripped apart by Pinhead, made me throw up a little in my mouth. Edit: The above is one of the biggest, but not only, aspects of why I cannot stand to watch The Walking Dead. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 19, 2016 16:55:18 GMT -5
I'm with you on all that, except that even if I don't seek or thrive in gratuitous gore, it doesn't affect me appart from a slight bore.
I really liked TCM II though, for all it's glorious cartoonish gore, it almost felt like an art piece in a way.
I'm not saying you should watch it, but you should read about a french movie called Martyr if you haven't already. There's an upcoming US remake that looks really stupid, but the original really tests the limits, yet remains true to its plot premise. It's a disturbing tackle on bigotery, not necessary the smartest, but it's original and beautiful in its horror, something that could also be said about the original TCM and the successfull part of Hellraiser (a fascinating but deeply flawed movie). Interstingly, Laugier (Martyr's director, also The Tall Man) was hired to direct the remake of Hellraiser but quit when he saw the producers were after a gore fest.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Feb 19, 2016 17:07:45 GMT -5
I have heard about Martyrs being good despite it being disturbing. I actually had Salo in hand from Netflix DVD service but returned it without watching it. There is a curiosity just because of the myths (as having not watched most I can't confirm they are any more than that) surrounding some films, that peek interest to try them, but sometimes I can't commit to it. Of the few I've managed, Human Centipede (and that was thinking it was a creature feature movie due to the vague Netflix instant synopsis) was a vile film; I Spit On Your Grave which I quit about 20 minutes in; and finally The Last House on the Left, despite being disturbing and violent somehow those two things were what told the story. I am not sure what formula allows for me to stomach some movies and not others, when the violence or disturbing content within the movie aren't necessarily worse in one than the other.
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Post by Pharozonk on Feb 19, 2016 17:18:54 GMT -5
Cronenberg is one of the greatest horror directors of all time. 8)
There I said it.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 19, 2016 17:37:31 GMT -5
I have heard about Martyrs being good despite it being disturbing. I actually had Salo in hand from Netflix DVD service but returned it without watching it. There is a curiosity just because of the myths (as having not watched most I can't confirm they are any more than that) surrounding some films, that peek interest to try them, but sometimes I can't commit to it. Of the few I've managed, Human Centipede (and that was thinking it was a creature feature movie due to the vague Netflix instant synopsis) was a vile film; I Spit On Your Grave which I quit about 20 minutes in; and finally The Last House on the Left, despite being disturbing and violent somehow those two things were what told the story. I am not sure what formula allows for me to stomach some movies and not others, when the violence or disturbing content within the movie aren't necessarily worse in one than the other. Martyr really is its own thing. I watched it in the theatre and it was interesting to hear (protective) laughter from some people in the audience at the hardest scenes... It really sits right between TCM and Hellraiser, with a slick Cronenberg-like aesthetic, one that you nowadays can see in movies such as Ex Machina (which really didn't do it for me). Human Centipede is terrible garbage (the second one is actually really interesting, much better visually, and the ending is quite original and mysterious), I Spit On Your Grave is pure exploitation garbage, and so is The Last House On The Left. The last two have qualities, but the reason behind their existance is not artistic IMHO. The Last House On The Left had a somewhat alright holywood remake directed by a greek guy who adapted Clive Barker's Dread as well. That was a disturbing flick, quite good wit similar objectives to Salo's, on a much lesser level, mind you (Salo is an important movie, deeply political). Dread also had a comic adaptation in the early 90ies, quite good one as well, painted by Dan Brereton at Eclipse. |
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