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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 8, 2023 10:39:38 GMT -5
This is the bad guys wins thread. The title is from the Billy Preston song that has lyrics that say “ I got a story ain’t got no moral. let the bad guy win every once in a while”.
Which story has the bad guy win ? I like FF # 38 that has the Frightful Four Beat the heroes and leave them for dead in an explosion.
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Post by arfetto on Aug 8, 2023 13:09:58 GMT -5
I guess it depends on the definition of "win". Batman Adventures issue 10 from 1993.
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Post by tarkintino on Aug 8, 2023 13:39:08 GMT -5
Perhaps the most famous example of the villain winning would be "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" from The Amazing Spider-Man #121. Some might try to suggest that the Green Goblin did not win since he was killed, but his death was caused by his own hand, and Gwen was--in fact--dead: The next example is also issue #121 of a series-- "The Beginning of the End!", the final issue of The Doom Patrol's original series run, as the team willingly sacrificed their lives (in a Brotherhood of Evil death trap) in exchange for the residents of a small fishing community:
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Post by driver1980 on Aug 8, 2023 14:21:50 GMT -5
This one: There’s no win for Superman here. Lana Lang is badly beaten. Ma an Pa Kent are hurt. The Kents’ personal possessions and are no doubt discarded/destroyed. Luthor reminds Superman who is boss, while he is standing over him wearing the Kryptonite ring. While Luthor’s hubris prevents him from acknowledging that Kent and Superman are one and the same, there’s no victory - not even a pyrrhic victory - for Superman.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 8, 2023 17:50:40 GMT -5
I bought this GN years ago. Doom finally wins but becomes bored. I think Power man leads the comeback.
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Post by kirby101 on Aug 8, 2023 20:37:57 GMT -5
FF #87, Doom flat out beats the FF.
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 8, 2023 22:11:42 GMT -5
The next example is also issue #121 of a series-- "The Beginning of the End!", the final issue of The Doom Patrol's original series run, as the team willingly sacrificed their lives (in a Brotherhood of Evil death trap) in exchange for the residents of a small fishing community: One of the most memorable comics, if not ever, at least of the Silver Age. Perfect choice.
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 8, 2023 22:15:52 GMT -5
An unrequited death at the hands of the Nazis. No mistaken identity, no twin, no dream sequence, no imaginary story, no resurrection, no ghost, no retcon. I won't spoil it if you haven't read it, but it is right up there with Doom Patrol 121 as a Silver Age standout.
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Post by chadwilliam on Aug 8, 2023 22:59:31 GMT -5
Not quite what you're looking for probably, but MAD's penchant for often having the hero thoroughly defeated in their parodies always stood out to me. Batboy and Rubin hunting down a vampire killer until the final page reveal has Batboy smashing Rubin over the head, proceeding to drink his blood, and then admitting that he's been the bad guy the whole time; Woman Wonder beaten to a "bloody pulp" and then forced to become a trained housewife to the villain who abused her; Plastic Sam dragged off by the police and forced to live out his days as a frozen block of plastic. Of course, that's a very EC thing to do what with their horror comics often being no different - actually, those are different since even when the little girl lets the psychotic axe murderer into the house because he's dressed as Santa it's only to give a murderer her just desserts, but still... "Man, did I just see Batboy cave in Rubin's skull and drink his blood through his foot? wow..."
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Post by Duragizer on Aug 8, 2023 23:21:11 GMT -5
Pre-magazine era Mad is my favourite era of Mad. Regardless, that "Woman Wonder" story has aged like milk.
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Post by james on Aug 9, 2023 1:36:43 GMT -5
The Killing Joke. I maybe he didn’t beat. Batman but he definitely rocked the world of Gotham and in turn heir Batman and Jim Gordon.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 9, 2023 4:31:29 GMT -5
Justice League of America # 166. The injustice league take them down and switch bodies with them. It sort of leads to Identity Crisis.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 9, 2023 5:51:05 GMT -5
Hellblazer #128.Absolute victory for the Devil, here. After being humiliated by John Constantine in the past, Old Nick realizes that he's been acting like a petty serial villain and finally grows up. Putting his pawns in the right places, he gets revenge on assorted demons who recently screwed him over, ruins Constantine's love life and turns his friends against him. He even gets our hero to willingly sign away his soul once again. Even God almighty (unnamed in the story, but still) can't do much about it since John knew what he was doing.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 9, 2023 6:38:36 GMT -5
This is a bit of a cheat but the Original Avengers beat every hero in the MU in Avengers annual #2. They were villains being mislead by the Scarlett Centurion.
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Post by tonebone on Aug 9, 2023 8:08:09 GMT -5
Pre-magazine era Mad is my favourite era of Mad. Agreed! Regardless, that "Woman Wonder" story has aged like milk. Beg to differ!
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