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Post by kirby101 on Oct 14, 2022 20:51:33 GMT -5
Inspired by something berkley said in another thread. Of course it would be impossible to declare one team the greatest, but we can have some fun looking at some of the best.
It goes without saying that Kirby/Lee would be high on the list. Others might be Claremont/Byrne, O'Neill/Adams or Wolfman/Perez, Thomas/Buscema and a new one I would put in, Brubaker/Phillips.
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Post by kongat44 on Oct 14, 2022 21:06:00 GMT -5
I think the Lee/Ditko team is pretty good, they are my favorites anyway.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 14, 2022 21:23:46 GMT -5
I'll throw out Len Wein & Berni Wrightson, Steve Englehart & Marshall Rogers, Robert Kanigher & Joe Kubert, Will Franz & Sam Glanzman, Jeph Loeb & Tim Sale, Mike Baron & Steve Rude, William Messner Loebs & Sam Kieth, Archie Goodwin & Walt Simonson and Archie Goodwin & Al Williamson, Marv Wolfman & George Perez, Wolfman & Gene Colan, Roy Thomas & Jerry Ordway, and Kurt Busiek & Brent Anderson.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 21:35:47 GMT -5
How do you define greatest? Without Siegel and Shuster there are no comics or super-heroes as we know them and none of those other creative teams ever pair up to make comics. There is no greater contribution to comics than that. Everyone else is standing on the shoulders of those two titans.
-M
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Post by Calidore on Oct 14, 2022 21:50:44 GMT -5
Alan Moore and the Kubert School crew of Bissette/Veitch/Totleben.
John Wagner/Alan Grant and Carlos Ezquerra.
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Post by berkley on Oct 14, 2022 22:12:17 GMT -5
Moench/Gulacy would be up there in my personal pantheon.
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Post by tarkintino on Oct 14, 2022 22:41:59 GMT -5
In no particular order but not limited to:
O'Neill/Adams, Goodwin/Adams, Lee/Romita, Conway/Romita, Friedrich/Romita (on Captain America), Goodwin/Williamson (on Secret Agent Corrigan), Wolfman/Perez, Robbins/Novick, Glut/Santos, Thomas/Buscema, Conway/Kane, Kanigher/Cardy/Skeates, Moench/Alcala, Wolfman/Colan, Lee/Kirby, et al.
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Post by Confessor on Oct 14, 2022 23:09:00 GMT -5
I dunno about Greatest in terms of their impact on comics, but off the top of my head the writer/artists whose work I enjoy the most are...
Stan Lee/Steve Ditko Stan Lee/John Romita Archie Goodwin/Al Williamson Kurt Busiek/Brent Anderson David Michelinie/Walt Simonson John Wagner/Brian Bolland Pat Mills/Joe Colquhoun Jo Duffy/Ron Frenz Kurt Busiek/Alex Ross Jeph Loeb/Tim Sale Gerry Conway/Ross Andru Bill Mantlo/Ed Hannigan
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Post by foxley on Oct 14, 2022 23:14:25 GMT -5
Englehart/Rogers has to rate highly. Ditto O'Neil/Adams. Mike W. Barr and Alan Davis rates highly in my personal pantheon (although perhaps not many others). Ditto Barr and Adam Hughes. And, of course, the duo who brought magic realism to the superhero genre: Bob Haney and Jim Aparo.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Oct 15, 2022 2:53:07 GMT -5
It goes without saying that Kirby/Lee would be high on the list. Others might be Claremont/Byrne, O'Neill/Perez or Adams, Thomas/Buscema and a new one I would put in, Brubaker/Phillips. When did O'Neil work with Perez?
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Post by berkley on Oct 15, 2022 6:22:58 GMT -5
Englehart/Brunner would be another one for me.
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 15, 2022 8:40:16 GMT -5
It goes without saying that Kirby/Lee would be high on the list. Others might be Claremont/Byrne, O'Neill/Perez or Adams, Thomas/Buscema and a new one I would put in, Brubaker/Phillips. When did O'Neil work with Perez? That was a mistake on my part. thinking faster than I was typing. I meant to write O'Neill/Adams or Wolfman/Perez. I corrected it.
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 15, 2022 8:44:04 GMT -5
How do you define greatest? Without Siegel and Shuster there are no comics or super-heroes as we know them and none of those other creative teams ever pair up to make comics. There is no greater contribution to comics than that. Everyone else is standing on the shoulders of those two titans. -M You could make the case that they were the most important, but I think most understand greatest to mean did the best comics.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2022 8:54:37 GMT -5
How do you define greatest? Without Siegel and Shuster there are no comics or super-heroes as we know them and none of those other creative teams ever pair up to make comics. There is no greater contribution to comics than that. Everyone else is standing on the shoulders of those two titans. -M You could make the case that they were the most important, but I think most understand greatest to mean did the best comics. Well the OP didn't define greatest. Most people. it looks like, chose to list favorites, which is fine, but for me favorite doesn't equal greatness in any way that is not just personal preference. I chose to define it as who made the greatest contribution to the medium of comics? You can't a greater contribution than creating the genre (super-heroes) that has come to be synonymous (even if it's an erroneous POV) with comics in the 50 years. In this case, importance is greatness in my definition, because every other contribution listed disappears from history without Siegel and Shuster's contribution. Even Kirby wouldn't have had a canvas to create on if it weren't for what Siegel and Shuster brought to the table, unless he managed to get work for a syndicate doing comic strips. -M
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 15, 2022 10:25:06 GMT -5
I didn't mean to invalidate your choice, and you I right, I left the question open. But I would hesitate to make comics synonymous with Superhero comics. There were comics before Action #1 and they sold well without superheroes. And while that contribution is extremely significant, it is not the the starting point of comic books in America. Kirby did quite well in other genres, and even created one or two. So I think saying there would not be comics without S&S overplays how important they were (and yes, they were important).
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