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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 18, 2022 11:48:09 GMT -5
Here's a cheer for Bill Finger/Jerry Robinson!
Or Jerry Robinson/Bill Finger.
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Post by Graphic Autist on Oct 18, 2022 15:36:44 GMT -5
Claremont/Byrne
There. I said it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 16:25:01 GMT -5
I need to add some inkers in, the "artist" component is not complete in some cases to me without.
Kirby/Lee/Sinnott. Claremont/Byrne/Austin.
Though I think Lee/Ditko was the best. For Spider-Man, Romita drew very lovely images, but the rogues gallery that was established during the Ditko era was unparalleled. Spidey was also much more lovable as a nerd IMO. Early Dr. Strange was also rather brilliant.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 18, 2022 16:29:22 GMT -5
I love Kurtzman and Elder, but I maybe love Kurtzman and Wood a little better.
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Post by tarkintino on Oct 18, 2022 17:50:28 GMT -5
Mort Drucker with Dick DeBartolo or Lou Silverstone. Satirical comics were never better before or since their 1960s heydays at MAD.
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Post by tonebone on Oct 20, 2022 14:36:26 GMT -5
What emotion is RDJ conveying here? And my point was for many of those FF and Thor books, and especially on Spider-Man, the stories were done before Lee saw them. Lee was the scripter more than the writer. As Evanier is to Aragones. That is weary exasperation, my friend. All meant in jest, of course.
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 20, 2022 17:12:09 GMT -5
What emotion is RDJ conveying here? And my point was for many of those FF and Thor books, and especially on Spider-Man, the stories were done before Lee saw them. Lee was the scripter more than the writer. As Evanier is to Aragones. That is weary exasperation, my friend. All meant in jest, of course. What?? Tiring of the Kirby-Lee discussion?
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Post by foxley on Oct 21, 2022 19:25:27 GMT -5
Alan Grant/Norm Breyfogle
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Post by berkley on Oct 24, 2022 18:20:59 GMT -5
Perhaps Marv Wolfman and Gene Colan should get some attention as a team, because looking back, I think Wolfman's best work by far as a writer was done with Colan: Tomb of Dracula and to a lesser degree Night Force). But it could just be that I don't rate Wolfman as a superhero writer all that highly - not that he was bad, just not one of the greats to my mind.
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Post by commond on Oct 24, 2022 19:16:09 GMT -5
Well, he did write one of the most important superhero books of the early 80s.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 25, 2022 22:40:49 GMT -5
I find this tricky, because it's rare that a writer/artist combo collaborate on different properties, so when are you really talking about? Especially for non big 2 stuff?
Busiek/Anderson Wolfman/Perez Michelinie/Layton
No mention of Willingham/Buckingham yet?
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Post by jester on Oct 26, 2022 10:00:56 GMT -5
Lee/Kirby Lee/Ditko Lee/Romita Wolfman/Colan Wolfman/Perez Moench/Gulacy Wein/Wrightson Englehart/Rogers Michelinie/Layton/Romita Jr.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 16:53:42 GMT -5
Tops for me would be Englehart and Rogers.
Others might be (at least based on my prime years of comics reading):
Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon. James Robinson and Tony Harris. Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips. Peter Milligan and Chris Bachalo. Matt Wagner and Guy Davis.
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Post by tonebone on Nov 2, 2022 17:39:20 GMT -5
Methinks you may not understand the meaning of that phrase. In the history of the world, I believe Siegel and Shuster are one of the FEW teams who indeed "reinvented the wheel"... or actually just plain INVENTED the wheel. I mean, alien posing as human? Secret identity? Two-Person love triangle? Strongman suit? Cape? Underwear on the outside? Incredible strength? Sure most of these concepts may have existed before, but not in a combination that, within two years' time, would be the most recognizable fictional character in the world. Every aspect of Superman was lifted from somewhere else. That's not to say that they weren't combined in an original way, or that Superman wasn't a tremendous success, but the elements were already in place. The technology was already in place. The means of distribution were already in place. The biggest hurdle Siegel and Shuster faced was trying to sell the idea to publishers, who hadn't quite cottoned onto the idea of selling comics to kids. Some publisher, at some point, would have latched onto that idea, and I don't think the concept of a superhero was such an original idea that another art team couldn't have thought of it. Would it have been as successful as Superman? Who knows. I'm not entirely sure that Superman was the most recognized fictional character in the world in 1941. How far did the distribution of comics, radio shows and animated shorts reach in 1941? I suspect the most recognized fictional character in the world in 1941 was from a novel not a comic book. Comics would have existed in some form or another without Siegel and Shuster, a superhero character would have likely been created at some point, the Golden Age superhero boom eventually died out, as most genres do, and the Silver Age creators would every bit as important in making the genre a lasting fixture. Not to mention all the other creators who came along and revitalized superhero comics when they were flagging. I don't think it's fair to say the conversation of greatest writer and artist team begins and ends with Siegel and Shuster. Oh, I'm not saying they're the best. I'm just saying they shouldn't be dismissed out of hand because they borrowed from others. You would have to disqualify a LOT of creators, a lot of whom borrowed from THEM.
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Post by tonebone on Nov 2, 2022 17:45:26 GMT -5
Warren Ellis and John Cassaday on Planetary just came to mind.
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