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Post by tonebone on Oct 14, 2022 9:11:42 GMT -5
Have you ever come across a comic that makes you ANGRY? Just furious? Whether the concept, the execution, or the marketing, something about it makes your eyes want to go white, and make you go green, and burst out of your flannel shirt? I submit to you Galaxy Quest, the Journey Continues. Great concept... I was so excited for this! Finally, a continuation of the greatest Sci_Fi parody movie ever! A love letter to Trek and its fans, and now, in comics form! What could go wrong? The ART. I have tried MANY times to read my TPB collection of this, but can't get past the first few pages, because of one stupidly simple problem.. all of the male characters look EXACTLY alike. I mean, I understant the license probably didn't come with actor likeness approval, but there are ways to work around that. Different hair silhouettes/color would have done wonders. But no... every caucasian male character has the exact same build, face, and dumb slicked but messed up hairstyle, and they all have black hair. My theory is that the colorist couldn't tell them apart, either, and just colored them all the same. I mean, just look at this. And they look completely interchangeable for the ENTIRE series. And to make matters worse, there's also the character of Justin Long, who looks just like them too... OH, and then there's a "mirror universe" version of Taggert, who further confuses things. There is also inconsistent coloring on their uniforms, which makes matters worse. And it's not written well enough for the characters to have distinct "voices". What a tragedy. I so wanted (and still) want to read this story. I even contemplated going through and labeling each character so I could make sense of it, but I couldn't tell them apart, even when that was my sole reason for reading it. It's a shame, because the guy who did the cover for the TPB actually pulled it off... and got Sigourney Weaver's hairstyle right. So, what comics make you want to Hulk-out?
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Post by MDG on Oct 14, 2022 9:20:46 GMT -5
Maybe Chaykin's Twilight, just because of my love for the original characters. But with comics, I'm either disappointed or think "par for the course," rather than angry.
There've been a few movies, though, where I came out angry that they have a following when the writing is stupid or sloppy. Se7en and Burton's Sleepy Hollow come to mind.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 14, 2022 9:40:31 GMT -5
1) The comics that brought back Jean Grey (Fantastic Four #numbernumber and X-Factor #1) made me so angry that I gave up comics entirely. Talk about disrespecting fans with any kind of emotional investment in these make-believe characters. Dallas fans must have felt the same way when an entire season ended with "and it was all a dream!" Only the loneliness that came with moving away to grad school eventually brought me back, but things were never really the same. I had learned my lesson: we fans don't matter at all to these publishers, and their stuff shouldn't matter to us. At least not beyond a strict monetary transaction.
2) The Killing Joke still makes me angry. Its sado-masochistic overtones are kind of nauseating, and the way Batman and the Joker share a joke at the end makes me sick. I would have been more forgiving had Batman murdered the bastard.
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Post by tonebone on Oct 14, 2022 10:27:27 GMT -5
Maybe Chaykin's Twilight, just because of my love for the original characters. But with comics, I'm either disappointed or think "par for the course," rather than angry. There've been a few movies, though, where I came out angry that they have a following when the writing is stupid or sloppy. Se7en and Burton's Sleepy Hollow come to mind. YES! Twilight! All that beautiful J.L. Garcia Lopez artwork in service to a story that I can't even begin to fathom.. I have tried to read it so many times, and only recently was made aware that it used the classic sliver age DC space characters... Didn't help. Movies... Batman Returns did it for me... walked out in the middle of it... I thought to myself "If they make Penguin do something gross ONE MORE TIME.. I'm leaving." and then he bit the fish. I was gone. Only movie I walked out on.
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Post by tonebone on Oct 14, 2022 10:29:04 GMT -5
1) The comics that brought back Jean Grey (F antastic Four #numbernumber and X-Factor #1) made me so angry that I gave up comics entirely. Talk about disrespecting fans with any kind of emotional investment in these make-believe characters. Dallas fans must have felt the same way when an entire season ended with "and it was all a dream!" Only the loneliness that came with moving away to grad school eventually brought me back, but things were never really the same. I had learned my lesson: we fans don't matter at all to these publishers, and their stuff shouldn't matter to us. At least not beyond a strict monetary transaction. (Obviously my boycott didn't last forever... Moving away to grad school and the loneliness that came with it sapped my resolve little by little. I still missed The Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen when they came out, though!) 2) The Killing Joke still makes me angry. Its sado-masochistic overtones are kind of nauseating, and the way Batman and the Joker share a joke at the end makes me sick. I would have been more forgiving had Batman murdered the bastard. I was a big fan of the Killing Joke, but as I got older, that scene bothered me more and more... along with the meanness of the story. It seemed like Moore was just taking his frustrations out by being a sadist to the characters we all love.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 14, 2022 10:35:54 GMT -5
Maybe Chaykin's Twilight, just because of my love for the original characters. But with comics, I'm either disappointed or think "par for the course," rather than angry. There've been a few movies, though, where I came out angry that they have a following when the writing is stupid or sloppy. Se7en and Burton's Sleepy Hollow come to mind. Agreed re Twilight. I get that there are pragmatic reasons to do these kinds of projects, ranging from copyright maintenance to cashing in on a hot creator or fad (like "dark" everything), but disemboweling a fictional character as a cover for demythologizing him or her isn't imaginative to me. And when Chaykin is let loose on vintage characters, he uses a meat cleaver, not a scalpel. Compare his take on older characters with The Golden Age or New Frontier and to me anyway, his approach falls way short. Another series of this type was Adam Strange by Bruning and a couple of Kuberts (The art is satisfying, I will say.) But when Adam is unfaithful to Alanna a few pages into in the first issue, we see Bruning using a sledge hammer where he might have been just a tad more insightful about characters who, though well defined back in the day, were ripe for a more mature look. Unfortunately, casual nihilism will out, as it did in so many books back then.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Oct 14, 2022 10:37:45 GMT -5
Maybe Chaykin's Twilight, just because of my love for the original characters. But with comics, I'm either disappointed or think "par for the course," rather than angry. That didn't bother me, but only because (a) I like Chaykin, and (b) so far as I was concerned, this was the Earth-3 versions of these characters. I would have been angry if DC decided to make it the canonical future (on a tangential note, I liked Chaykin's Blackhawk series, but thought DC's idea to (for a few years, before undoing it) make him the canonical Blackhawk for the DCU was a terrible mistake; he simply didn't fit in, and every crossover story he appeared in would have been better with the original Bart Hawk).
1) The comics that brought back Jean Grey (F antastic Four #numbernumber and X-Factor #1) made me so angry that I gave up comics entirely. Talk about disrespecting fans with any kind of emotional investment in these make-believe characters. Dallas fans must have felt the same way when an entire season ended with "and it was all a dream!"
That was certainly a contributing factor to my abandoning the X-titles and, soon after, Marvel in general. The thing is, the original five was never a best-selling team, so I didn't understand who was supposed to be nostalgic for it.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 14, 2022 11:36:32 GMT -5
1) The comics that brought back Jean Grey (F antastic Four #numbernumber and X-Factor #1) made me so angry that I gave up comics entirely. Talk about disrespecting fans with any kind of emotional investment in these make-believe characters. Dallas fans must have felt the same way when an entire season ended with "and it was all a dream!" I didn't quit comics, but I quit buying Marvel Comics for a good long time after that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 11:43:20 GMT -5
90s Rob Liefeld.
Worst artwork I saw in my life and he was everywhere.
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 14, 2022 11:49:35 GMT -5
1) The comics that brought back Jean Grey (F antastic Four #numbernumber and X-Factor #1) made me so angry that I gave up comics entirely. Talk about disrespecting fans with any kind of emotional investment in these make-believe characters. Dallas fans must have felt the same way when an entire season ended with "and it was all a dream!" This pissed me off so much that I walked azway from comics completely for eight years. It took Jerry Ordway's Shazam OGN to bring me back.
Cei-U! I summon the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back!
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 14, 2022 11:59:02 GMT -5
Reading the title I was thinking you meant the story itself invoked anger. As in I will never read We3 again. That story made me so angry I haven't read anything Grant Morrison has written. (Not that I was too thrilled to give him another chance after his Batman.) And by being angered by We3, I mean it angers me that the the premise isn't far from man is already doing in the name of "science". Treating animals as cannon fodder with altruistic facade of "saving" lives in reality is a contradiction as a life is a life. Welp now I'm mad. On topic I would say the only comic/concept that made me angry was bringing back Jason Todd as a whinny brat killer that blames the actions he took on his own to save his mother on Batman. Little $hit is annoying. And then there is Damien .....
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 14, 2022 13:18:18 GMT -5
Speaking of Morrison, Final Crisis.Between the obscure comics history references and a climax that had a villain only seen in a Superman extra noboby read, it was infuriating. And Identity Crisis for obvious reasons.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 14, 2022 13:26:50 GMT -5
Maybe Chaykin's Twilight, just because of my love for the original characters. But with comics, I'm either disappointed or think "par for the course," rather than angry. There've been a few movies, though, where I came out angry that they have a following when the writing is stupid or sloppy. Se7en and Burton's Sleepy Hollow come to mind. Agreed re Twilight. I get that there are pragmatic reasons to do these kinds of projects, ranging from copyright maintenance to cashing in on a hot creator or fad (like "dark" everything), but disemboweling a fictional character as a cover for demythologizing him or her isn't imaginative to me. And when Chaykin is let loose on vintage characters, he uses a meat cleaver, not a scalpel. Compare his take on older characters with The Golden Age or New Frontier and to me anyway, his approach falls way short. All true, but... I still enjoyed Twilight!
Oh yeah, that was just awful. Especially on the heels of the somewhat iconoclastic but funny reinterpretation of Adam Strange by Alan Moore and Rick Veitch seen in Swamp Thing. That had been done in a spirit of good fun, and had no lasting ill effect on the character -later writers could have ignored it without affecting continuity. However, the Brunning miniseries just told a depressing story of doom and gloom in which everything is destroyed for no particular storytelling reason. "Casual nihilism", as you put it, is an excellent way to describe it!
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Post by berkley on Oct 14, 2022 13:28:49 GMT -5
It will come as no surprise to most people here that my number 1 "trigger" comics are the various Eternals and New Gods stories done by Marvel/DC since they cancelled Kirby's original series. Right now it's the Gillen Eternals, since that's the most recent.
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 14, 2022 14:12:57 GMT -5
When an artist is replaced by a vastly inferior one. Especially mid-story.
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