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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 12:25:34 GMT -5
What, you mean the JBF - which he and others have said is easy to join - let that 24 hour period expire? Heaven forbid!
I thought about rejoining once, but he doesn’t accept Gmail, AOL Mail, Yahoo, etc, etc. It’s pot luck what e-mail he’ll accept.
Years ago, I was a customer with BT. BT hooked up with Yahoo for a while so that my ISP e-mail address was BT Yahoo. JBF members said that there was no excuse for people not to use an ISP e-mail address to register, but my official - and at the time ONLY - e-mail address was BT Yahoo. As JBF wasn’t accepting Yahoo, it meant my one and only official e-mail, which I had for 3 years, couldn’t register.
I would rather not jump through hoops to join a forum, especially one that doesn’t have avatars or a quote function.
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Post by Duragizer on Apr 18, 2022 15:59:34 GMT -5
I'm in the minority that truly never cared that much for John Bryne's work. With the exception of his 12 issues of Captain America, his Fantastic Four run and his She-Hulk, I've found a majority of his work just okay. I'm glad I've never met him because he just sounds like a vile person from the stories I've heard over the decades from others and my comic friend that met him in person. I hope you avoided Spider-Man: Chapter One. Awful series. There was one thing I really liked about Chapter One: combining Spidey & Ock's origins. Too bad Byrne didn't actually do anything worthwhile with the idea going forward.
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Post by Duragizer on Apr 19, 2022 1:40:32 GMT -5
Here's a minor one. Note the Jerry Ordway quote. Not a fan of his "too cool for school" attitude towards Supes' trunks. I would've expected a Superman artist of his calibre to have a better understanding of the character's origins. That was the '90s, though; I wonder what his opinion is these days.
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Post by chadwilliam on Apr 19, 2022 11:33:13 GMT -5
Here's a minor one. Note the Jerry Ordway quote. Not a fan of his "too cool for school" attitude towards Supes' trunks. I would've expected a Superman artist of his calibre to have a better understanding of the character's origins. That was the '90s, though; I wonder what his opinion is these days. I wonder if Ordway was joking. I say this because his drawing there looks suggestive of his Captain Marvel (to my eyes, at least and admittedly, some of it's in Superman's face rather than outfit). Emblem reaching the navel; arm bands; two-tone color scheme. Perhaps if it were a joke it would be obvious, but part of me reads his comments and hears "Let's give him wrist bands and drag his emblem further down his chest, and hey, why not toss in some Fred MacMurray eyebrows while we're at it too, aw, you know what? Why not just go out and buy Power of Shazam at your local comic shop instead? It's a steal!"
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Post by tolworthy on Apr 19, 2022 12:10:35 GMT -5
Mark Evanier. I LOVE the guy's writing, but he's usually talking about Kirby. And he tends to paint Kirby as a sad-sack that couldn't stand up for himself. Like he just sort of drifted through his career and was just lucky to make a dime, between getting swindled and cheated. Yet when you listen to Kirby, he's a confident, dynamic, down-to-earth person who just did what he loved doing. I don't hear that at all. I hear about a wonderful guy, who loved his family. Was very giving and a creative dynamo. The fact is his career was full of being cheated and abused. Yet he continued to create. Maybe we are talking about early Evanier and late Evanier? Those of us who are extreme Kirby Kultists have noticed a change in recent years. Before 2000 or so you can find very juicy pro-Kirby quotes from Evanier. And he promised the definitive gigantic Kirby biography that would tell all. But since Marvel started making a ton of money on the movies, well... call it conspiracy theory, but Evanier seems much friendlier to Marvel these days. And the tell-all biography, that seemed to be almost finished, never appears. Maybe he is still proof reading it over at the George R R Martin writers retreat, who knows? I am not accusing Evanier of selling out as such, but I think he is getting older. s I get older I tend to value friendship more than changing the world. Being very popular at Marvel and among fans is a nice place to be... why make waves?
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Post by james on Apr 19, 2022 13:17:15 GMT -5
I'm in the minority that truly never cared that much for John Bryne's work. With the exception of his 12 issues of Captain America, his Fantastic Four run and his She-Hulk, I've found a majority of his work just okay. I'm glad I've never met him because he just sounds like a vile person from the stories I've heard over the decades from others and my comic friend that met him in person. [br So just curious you didn’t like Byrne’s 70’s early 80’s work Xmen, marvel team up etc.? Or are you talking only about his writing?
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Post by berkley on Apr 19, 2022 14:19:16 GMT -5
I don't hear that at all. I hear about a wonderful guy, who loved his family. Was very giving and a creative dynamo. The fact is his career was full of being cheated and abused. Yet he continued to create. Maybe we are talking about early Evanier and late Evanier? Those of us who are extreme Kirby Kultists have noticed a change in recent years. Before 2000 or so you can find very juicy pro-Kirby quotes from Evanier. And he promised the definitive gigantic Kirby biography that would tell all. But since Marvel started making a ton of money on the movies, well... call it conspiracy theory, but Evanier seems much friendlier to Marvel these days. And the tell-all biography, that seemed to be almost finished, never appears. Maybe he is still proof reading it over at the George R R Martin writers retreat, who knows? I am not accusing Evanier of selling out as such, but I think he is getting older. s I get older I tend to value friendship more than changing the world. Being very popular at Marvel and among fans is a nice place to be... why make waves? Along these lines, I'm disappointed in pretty much every comic book writer who's worked on the New Gods or the Eternals, including creators who are in other respects favourites, e.g. Grant Morrison, right up to Kieron Gillen today. Professionally, they may not have had much of a choice if they wanted to continue getting work from DC or Marvel, but there it is.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 19, 2022 19:29:35 GMT -5
To add to the pile on to John Byrne... As a lit geek, I was severely irritated when he started attributing quotations from Shakespeare to Edward de Vere, the 17th Earl of Oxford, with no indication that he was doing so because he believes that de Vere wrote Shakespeare's play. And then in one of his editorials in Next Men he essentially said that no reasonable, sane person could possibly believe that anyone other than de Vere could have written those plays, and certainly not the son of a glove maker fro Stafford-Upon-Avon. Never mind that almost all literary scholars reject the Oxfordian theory, the mighty John Byrne has made up his mind and anyone who disagrees with him must be simpleminded. Stick to drawing John (and writing, if you must) but leave literary scholarship to those with expertise and qualifications in the field. You don't get to decide who wrote Shakespeare, or force that opinion on your readers. Edward de Vere? Tish Tosh Everybody knows that JK Rowling wrote the works commonly attributed to Shakespeare. oxfraud.com/index.php/BC-will
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 19, 2022 21:44:08 GMT -5
Here's a minor one. Note the Jerry Ordway quote. Not a fan of his "too cool for school" attitude towards Supes' trunks. I would've expected a Superman artist of his calibre to have a better understanding of the character's origins. That was the '90s, though; I wonder what his opinion is these days. You can't get rid of the trunks. Otherwise, everyone would be staring at his Super-Package! That is pretty much why wrestlers and circus strongmen wore trunks over tights, because tights are....well, tight! You don't want the people in the crowd swooning! Or laughing........
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 19, 2022 21:46:23 GMT -5
ps Holy Kirby those are ugly designs! Ordway's is the only one that doesn't make my eyes bleed; but, I don't care for the giant emblem. Superman is modest, I'd actually go smaller with it, like a badge.
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Post by Duragizer on Apr 19, 2022 21:53:57 GMT -5
I think Quesada's looks good ... for an evil version of Superman. Definitely wouldn't want to see it on the true Supes.
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Post by chadwilliam on Apr 20, 2022 10:44:14 GMT -5
On a different track...
With very few exceptions (Grant Morrison in Animal Man) I can't stand seeing creators pop up in their own stories. For a medium which generally seems to understand that, no, a pair of glasses probably wouldn't work as a disguise but we're not going to draw attention to that fact by constantly beating you over the head with it, it's strange how many times it drew attention to the fictionality of its stories by showing us the writers, artists, editors right there standing alongside the characters they're working on. I don't want to see the people who drove The Beatles to their concert come up on stage and sing a few songs; I don't want the guy who sold Matisse his paints popping up in his paintings; I don't want to see Julius Schwartz eating a bowl of soup.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Apr 20, 2022 11:10:46 GMT -5
On a different track... With very few exceptions (Grant Morrison in Animal Man) I can't stand seeing creators pop up in their own stories. For a medium which generally seems to understand that, no, a pair of glasses probably wouldn't work as a disguise but we're not going to draw attention to that fact by constantly beating you over the head with it, it's strange how many times it drew attention to the fictionality of its stories by showing us the writers, artists, editors right there standing alongside the characters they're working on. I don't want to see the people who drove The Beatles to their concert come up on stage and sing a few songs; I don't want the guy who sold Matisse his paints popping up in his paintings; I don't want to see Julius Schwartz eating a bowl of soup.
In general I agree with you, but James Robinson knocked it out of the park in Airboy.
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Post by MDG on Apr 20, 2022 17:58:22 GMT -5
On a different track... With very few exceptions (Grant Morrison in Animal Man) I can't stand seeing creators pop up in their own stories. For a medium which generally seems to understand that, no, a pair of glasses probably wouldn't work as a disguise but we're not going to draw attention to that fact by constantly beating you over the head with it, it's strange how many times it drew attention to the fictionality of its stories by showing us the writers, artists, editors right there standing alongside the characters they're working on. I don't want to see the people who drove The Beatles to their concert come up on stage and sing a few songs; I don't want the guy who sold Matisse his paints popping up in his paintings; I don't want to see Julius Schwartz eating a bowl of soup.
In general I agree with you, but James Robinson knocked it out of the park in Airboy.
I like this appearance of the creator in the book...
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Post by arfetto on Apr 20, 2022 18:48:56 GMT -5
The creators showing up in their own stories thing is an interesting topic.
I just take it on a comic by comic basis. I like it in comics like The Brave and the Bold issue 124. Or even Animal Man for a more "serious" example. It has probably been done poorly many times (I would be interested to read the ones people think are the worst offenders haha - did Animal Man open a floodgate of people attempting something similar? I am not an expert on these kinds of tales). I think I like it more often than not (though it isn't something I would do in my stories personally), but I understand all the complaints against it.
One of my favorite creators is Osamu Tezuka, and he would often sneak himself in as a cameo - even in his more serious works.
I do see how this kind of thing can ruin the immersion in the stories for some people. It has been a complaint I have seen often concerning Tezuka, where it will be hard for people to get into his stories because he will throw out some gags for levity (and sometimes include himself as that gag). I do know of some more modern examples that I have not liked as much, but those are not "classic" comics yet.
I think there is less "harm" when a creator inserts them into a foreward or afterward to give behind the scenes info about comic stories though.
They can be illuminating sometimes.
And the caricature ones that would be on advertising/upcoming release pages fascinated me as a kid:
Even though they seemed to be jokes more for the creators than the readers haha.
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