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Post by Trevor on May 9, 2022 11:57:16 GMT -5
I actually almost put Franquin on the nomination list, but figured I would overfill the thread if I kept researching. Thanks for the recommendation, I’ll seek out his work.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2022 12:21:53 GMT -5
I've explored a little bit of Lone Wolf and Cub and quite enjoyed it, but haven't explored enough to really assess where Kazou Koike would rate in my personal pantheon of comic creators.
I like but don't love the handful of Asterix I have read. I like it enough that I intend to explore more, but not enough that Albert Udozo would be on my radar for this.
Pratt and Jodo rate pretty highly with me, but not near the apex of the pantheon for me.
I respect what Sim has accomplished, but I have had a difficult time getting past the first volume of Cerebus every times I have tried. I know it gets better, but I haven't been inspired to keep going. I got halfway through the first volume a year or two ago, but put it down and haven't picked it up again. It's still sitting on the little bookshelf next to my chair, but it's just collecting dust as other things keep my attention (it's withthe volume of Wheel of Time I stalled on as well).
The rest are mostly unknowns to me and the few I do know of I don't know anywhere near well enough to make any kind of assessment on.
-M
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Post by arfetto on May 9, 2022 13:05:38 GMT -5
I like most of the Koike I've read (but reading too much at a time feels a bit dark haha, or at least the stuff like Path of the Assassin). Takehiko Inoue's Slam Dunk was huge for me growing up (and I also like Vagabond and REAL). For Hagio, I've only read They Were Eleven (and watched the anime) and A, A Prime, both of which I enjoyed. I want to read Heart of Thomas one day. I also like Go Nagai overall. Devilman is excellent.
But even though I enjoy all of these creators' works very much, they do not make my top ten. Inoue comes very close though. I would enjoy making a top 100.
I left out Miyazaki because I have still not read any of his manga. I've only seen the animation works. I should check out that Nausicaa manga boxset one day, it seems pretty affordable.
I know hardly nothing about Asterix unfortunately (except for an arcade game). I hope to rectify that one day.
I want to read Corto Maltese, but every time I try to purchase it there is always one or two volumes out of print and hard to find.
I enjoy Dave Sim's work for the most part.
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Post by MDG on May 9, 2022 13:53:15 GMT -5
Catching up after a couple of days. Of the names mentioned, most have produced excellent, professional work that range from stuff I liked very much to stuff that made no impression on me. Unfortunately, the Japanese and European creators remain a hole in my knowledge. None make the top 10, but a few individual notes.
Carmine Infantino: One of the best cover and page designers in the business. Despite his leadership role at DC, I think his lasting influence is as an artist. He may have been over his head trying to move the business needle at DC at a challenging time for the industry.
Archie Goodwin: An incredibly solid writer and editor and, apparently, someone who always treated others well.
Marie Severin: Looking at bronze age Marvel, sometime she seemed like the only person who remembered comics could be fun.
Jim Shooter: Opposite of Carmine, will be remembered as an editor (if not as a "suit") more than as a writer.
Hugo Pratt: Enjoyed my limited experience of his work. Looking to read more.
Underzo and Goscinny: As with Pratt, really liked what I've read.
The lists remain:
Comic Books: Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, Xaime Hernandez, Dan Clowes, Alex Toth, Harvey Kurtzman, Charles Burns, Spain Rodriguez
Comic Strips: Bill Watterson, Milton Caniff, Charles Schulz, Alex Raymond, George Herriman, Chester Gould, Roy Crane, Cliff Sterrett, Frank King, Ernie Bushmiller
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Post by tarkintino on May 9, 2022 14:13:00 GMT -5
Complete rejection for the list:
Kazou Koike: no.
Hayao Miyazaki: no.
Takehiko Inoue: no.
Moto Hagio: no.
Go Nagai: no.
Albert Uderzo: no.
Hugo Pratt: no.
Alejandro Jodorowsky: no.
Dave Sim: no.
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Post by Trevor on May 10, 2022 23:47:08 GMT -5
Day Thirty-Nine Response and Wrap—Up
I’ve been very slow to look outside of US comics, so have almost no experience with any international creators, let alone this narrow slate.
I did quite enjoy the Lone Wolf and Cub that I read from First Comics back in the day, but due to its high price at the time I didn’t stick with it long. Have always meant to get back to it someday, and will do so.
Think I saw some Asterix decades ago, and have a bit of it from Comixology to try now.
I have fairly recently started The Incal and do plan to read all of it. And I’ll give some early Dave Sim another try.
So my list still remains at 9. Frank Miller Jack Kirby Carl Barks Alan Moore Mike Mignola Jeff Lemire Bernie Wrightson Matt Wagner Will Eisner
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Post by Trevor on May 10, 2022 23:51:18 GMT -5
Day Forty Choices
Modern Age 1985-present
Not sure I agree that we should still consider nearly 40 years one Age, but whatever.
Usual disclaimers apply: we covered many modern creators already, any manageable list will leave out dozens of worthy list possibilities, and please use wildcards to include and discuss any on your top ten that haven’t been mentioned.
Booster Gold and Doomsday creator Dan Jurgens has written and drawn a ton of great DC stories. Kerry Gammill had a nice little career drawing for mostly the big two before moving into film and TV work. Ron Frenz co-created Spider-Girl and the New Warriors, and seems to have drawn mostly Superman and Spider-Man. Ivan Reis has worked for many companies since the late 90s, but is probably best known for his DC stuff like Blackest Night and Bendis’ Superman. Olivier Coipel’s beautiful art has appeared mostly in Marvel’s events and Thor, and DC’s Legion. Tom King seems to be love him or hate him writer. I’ve loved the couple things I’ve read so far, with several others in my stacks. Tom Taylor is writing two of DC’s best ongoings right now, Nightwing and Son of Kal-El, and apparently his Injustice and The Deep have or are coming to TV. Donny Cates has had a lot of success writing for Marvel, and I love his Crossover. Canadian Chip Zdarsky should have been in the previous slate perhaps. As an artist he won an Eisner for Sex Criminals, and more recently he seemingly writes every other book on the stands, alternating with Cullen Bunn Joëlle Jones had done a lot of cool art before, but is now probably best known for Lady Killer. She’s a cover artist master as well, and did some neat Batman and Catwoman stories.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 23:58:50 GMT -5
All of those creators have done stuff I liked and stuff I haven't. None of them would approach my top tier of creators, let alone my top 10.
My ten still stands complete with Moebius, Kubert, Canniff, Raymond, Eisner, Smith, Sakai, Toth, Cooke and Frazetta.
-M
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Post by arfetto on May 11, 2022 0:43:46 GMT -5
I wish I could fit Ron Frenz in my top ten somewhere, but I am not sure if there is room. He is in my top 20 for sure.
Olivier Coipel is also a great artist.
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Post by EdoBosnar on May 11, 2022 2:03:37 GMT -5
I'll say no to all of these, although I really like Ron Frenz's work. Kerry Gammill, Ivan Reis and Joëlle Jones are all top-notch artists. I've read a few things by Bunn (his first name is spelled Cullen, by the way) which I liked, but it doesn't put him anywhere near my top tiers of favorites. I'm only passingly familiar with the rest.
My list remains unchanged: John & Sal Buscema, Alan Moore, George Perez, Walt Simonson, John Byrne, Alan Brennert, Will Eisner and Archie Goodwin.
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Post by Dizzy D on May 11, 2022 5:22:56 GMT -5
Dan Jurgens and Ron Frenz: not a fan of their work.
Kerry Gammill: Needed to google as the name didn't mean anything. Looks like a good artist, but he was never on the comics that I read, I think.
Ivan Reis : Confused him with Rod Reis for a moment there. I like Rod Reis a lot (Not Top 10 like though). Ivan, I'm ambivalent about.
Olivier Coipel’s: Like his Legion and X-Men work, but not Top 10 like.
Tom King: I liked a few of his works, but his newer works fell either flat or felt like a retreat of things he had done before.
Tom Taylor: I really like Tom Taylor's writing, I also respect how he made the Injustice comic work despite hating the concept of it. One of the writers that puts characters first instead of warping the characters around the plot he wants to write. Top 10 is a very crowded group, especially for writers.
Donny Cates: Like his work, not Top 10. Canadian Chip Zdarsky: Really like his work and his art. Still, it's going to take quite a bit to unlodge people from my current Top 10.
Cullen Bunn: Didn't like much from what I've read by him.
Joëlle Jones: Like her art, but she's not on titles that I've read, so no opinion so far.
My Wildcard: I'm going to use my wildcard here for Evan Dorkin. Multiple Eisner and Harvey award winner, I'm not that big a fan of the Eltingville Club, but his work in Dork and Beasts of Burden is great and Hectic Planet hits just about all my personal interests. His Bill&Ted and Milk&Cheese were fun, Blackwood is a solid series and I still regularly reread World's Funnest and Bizarro Comics.
Current list (9 out of 10): Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, Matt Wagner, Jean Giraud, Evan Dorkin, Bill Sienkiewicz, Kentaro Miura, Lewis Trondheim, Andre Franquin.
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Post by Trevor on May 11, 2022 6:55:18 GMT -5
Should have probably mentioned this earlier, but the last two slates will be underground, and then humor. So everyone’s list should be complete unless your final choices fit one of those two categories.
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Post by MDG on May 11, 2022 9:08:41 GMT -5
I wish I could fit Ron Frenz in my top ten somewhere, but I am not sure if there is room. Well, if you have Kirby on your list, Frenz would be redundant. Should have probably mentioned this earlier, but the last two slates will be underground, and then humor. So everyone’s list should be complete unless your final choices fit one of those two categories. I'll hang onto my wildcard today, then. Of the list today, the only one I really like (though nowhere near a top 10) is Kerry Gammill, though more for his monster stuff.
Lists remain... Comic Books: Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, Xaime Hernandez, Dan Clowes, Alex Toth, Harvey Kurtzman, Charles Burns, Spain Rodriguez
Comic Strips: Bill Watterson, Milton Caniff, Charles Schulz, Alex Raymond, George Herriman, Chester Gould, Roy Crane, Cliff Sterrett, Frank King, Ernie Bushmiller
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Post by Calidore on May 11, 2022 9:11:35 GMT -5
Surprised not to have seen John Ostrander come up as a choice, so he would be my wildcard. Grimjack, Suicide Squad, Firestorm, The Kents, some really good Star Wars stuff, etc. I quickly learned to buy his stuff on sight back in the day.
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Post by badwolf on May 11, 2022 9:17:08 GMT -5
Day Forty ChoicesModern Age 1985-present Not sure I agree that we should still consider nearly 40 years one Age, but whatever. Usual disclaimers apply: we covered many modern creators already, any manageable list will leave out dozens of worthy list possibilities, and please use wildcards to include and discuss any on your top ten that haven’t been mentioned. Booster Gold and Doomsday creator Dan Jurgens has written and drawn a ton of great DC stories. Kerry Gammill had a nice little career drawing for mostly the big two before moving into film and TV work. Ron Frenz co-created Spider-Girl and the New Warriors, and seems to have drawn mostly Superman and Spider-Man. Ivan Reis has worked for many companies since the late 90s, but is probably best known for his DC stuff like Blackest Night and Bendis’ Superman. Olivier Coipel’s beautiful art has appeared mostly in Marvel’s events and Thor, and DC’s Legion. Tom King seems to be love him or hate him writer. I’ve loved the couple things I’ve read so far, with several others in my stacks. Tom Taylor is writing two of DC’s best ongoings right now, Nightwing and Son of Kal-El, and apparently his Injustice and The Deep have or are coming to TV. Donny Cates has had a lot of success writing for Marvel, and I love his Crossover. Canadian Chip Zdarsky should have been in the previous slate perhaps. As an artist he won an Eisner for Sex Criminals, and more recently he seemingly writes every other book on the stands, alternating with Cullen BunnJoëlle Jones had done a lot of cool art before, but is now probably best known for Lady Killer. She’s a cover artist master as well, and did some neat Batman and Catwoman stories. I love Coipel's art, discovered him when he was on the Legion books. But I can't name him a top 10 creator. Same for Gammill and Frenz, who are also very good.
The rest I either don't know at all or are not familiar enough with them.
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