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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 8:13:35 GMT -5
Day Twenty-One ChoicesWhy not, let’s have another Strip Sunday! Please, stay dressed everyone. Do any of the following make your list? Gary Larson, George Herriman, Hal Foster, Walt Kelly, or Alex Raymond. All fabulous names and well represented in my collection (other than I think I need to grab a Far Side collection or 2, I'm not sure what happened to my old ones). I just had to put some focus to my list or I'd never get there so I'm sticking with 60's/70's superhero comic book artists.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 8:55:41 GMT -5
Gary Larson, George Herriman-I respect the talent and achievements of both, but neither is a particular favorite of mine.
Hal Foster, Walt Kelly-I love the work of both, but neither would make my top 10. Top tier yes, top 10 now.
Alex Raymond-my love of Flash Gordon is deep and abiding, and so is my affection for Raymond's art and creativity. He joins Canniff as strip creators in my overall top 10.
So my top 10 is now: Moebius, Joe Kubert, Darwyn Cooke, Milton Canniff, Frank Frazetta, Alex Raymond (with Lemire and Brubaker with probationary status)
-M
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 17, 2022 9:22:13 GMT -5
Day Twenty-One ChoicesWhy not, let’s have another Strip Sunday! Please, stay dressed everyone. Do any of the following make your list? Gary Larson, George Herriman, Hal Foster, Walt Kelly, or Alex Raymond. Walt Kelly - Pogo is one of the two things that made me a comic fan. He is on my strip list and if, gun to my head, I had to do a combined list he’d be there. Gary Larson - absolutely makes my strip list (though Far Side is a panel). Endlessly hilarious. And I’ve held a Larson original (not a Far Side). George Herriman - not quite. I love Krazy Kat in small doses. Hal Foster - I haven’t read extended runs by Foster. Alex Raymond - Again I really haven’t read an extended run. I’ve actually read more Rip Kirby and Secret Agent X than I have Flash Gordon. Top Ten (Comic Books): Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, Carl Barks, Dawn Cooke, Warren Ellis, Alan Brennart, Garth Ennis, Ed Brubaker, Wally Wood Top Ten (Comic Strips): Walt Kelly, Bill Watterson, Berke Breathed, Gary Larson, Milton Caniff, Charles Schulz, Al Williamson,
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Post by MDG on Apr 17, 2022 10:15:40 GMT -5
Day Twenty-One ChoicesWhy not, let’s have another Strip Sunday! Please, stay dressed everyone. Do any of the following make your list? Gary Larson, George Herriman, Hal Foster, Walt Kelly, or Alex Raymond. Gary Larson: Very, very funny, but not a top ten George Herriman: Yes--a unique and fascinating talent Hal Foster: An excellent artist, but a bit academic. Walt Kelly: If I'd read more of Pogo, he'd probably be on it, but at this point, no. Alex Raymond: Yes, but for Rip Kirby, not Flash
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Post by badwolf on Apr 17, 2022 17:23:53 GMT -5
Most comic strip creators only did one thing (ok Johnny Hart did two) and to get on my list a top creator would have to have their hand in a multitude of ideas and work. So no to all of them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 17:49:33 GMT -5
Most comic strip creators only did one thing (ok Johnny Hart did two) and to get on my list a top creator would have to have their hand in a multitude of ideas and work. So no to all of them. Canniff (Terry and the Pirates, Steve Canyon, Male Call) and Raymond (Flash Gordon, Rip Kirby, Secret Agent X-9, Jungle Jim) were known for several strips each. Foster (Tarzan and Prince Valiant) was well known for at least 2. Walt Kelly produced a host of comics for Dell in addition to doing Pogo (not to mention his time as a Disney animator). You should probably reexamine some of your assumptions about strip creators as they are inaccurate. -M
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Post by commond on Apr 17, 2022 18:03:06 GMT -5
I seem to recall a period where Gary Larson was extremely popular and had widespread appeal among the public. I remember going through a phase where I was heavily into The Far Side and bought several collections. Herriman was a genius. I should read more Krazy Kat. I haven't been exposed to much Hal Foster or Alex Raymond, though I do know their work through various books on comics history. I haven't read Pogo, but I feel like I know it intimately thanks to Jeff Smith.
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Post by badwolf on Apr 17, 2022 18:16:44 GMT -5
Most comic strip creators only did one thing (ok Johnny Hart did two) and to get on my list a top creator would have to have their hand in a multitude of ideas and work. So no to all of them. Canniff (Terry and the Pirates, Steve Canyon, Male Call) and Raymond (Flash Gordon, Rip Kirby, Secret Agent X-9, Jungle Jim) were known for several strips each. Foster (Tarzan and Prince Valiant) was well known for at least 2. Walt Kelly produced a host of comics for Dell in addition to doing Pogo (not to mention his time as a Disney animator). You should probably reexamine some of your assumptions about strip creators as they are inaccurate. -M Regardless, I would only consider comic book creators for this exercise.
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Post by berkley on Apr 17, 2022 18:42:00 GMT -5
Day Fifteen ChoicesIn an episode of the podcast (11oClock Comics) Vince proclaimed that Ross Andru was the greatest artist of Spider-Man of all time, to which Wood offered Andru was one of 6 artists in that discussion along with Steve Ditko, Todd McFarlane, both Romitas, and Gil Kane. Today I ask you two questions. The first, are any of the artists - sans the Romitas who were already an option - on your Top 10? The second is who is your favorite Spider-Man artist?
Andru: No. I know his work mostly from the 70s Spider-man, which I liked but didn't love.
Ditko: ooooh, this is a tough one. Dr. Strange alone should get him in, but I think I'm probably going to need the space later on, so No, for now.
McFarlane: No. I can see how his style might appeal to some fans (which is more than I can say for most 90s superhero artists), but it doesn't do anything for me at all.
Kane: No. I like him a lot, especially when he inked himself on things like the Ring adaptation with Roy Thomas, but he doesn't quite make my top ten.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 17, 2022 19:00:14 GMT -5
Most comic strip creators only did one thing (ok Johnny Hart did two) and to get on my list a top creator would have to have their hand in a multitude of ideas and work. So no to all of them. Canniff (Terry and the Pirates, Steve Canyon, Male Call) and Raymond (Flash Gordon, Rip Kirby, Secret Agent X-9, Jungle Jim) were known for several strips each. Foster (Tarzan and Prince Valiant) was well known for at least 2. Walt Kelly produced a host of comics for Dell in addition to doing Pogo (not to mention his time as a Disney animator). You should probably reexamine some of your assumptions about strip creators as they are inaccurate. -M Dickie Dare for Caniff also. Not to mention his art was more influential than all but a handful of comic book artists.
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Post by berkley on Apr 17, 2022 19:11:58 GMT -5
Day Sixteen ChoicesToday I want to keep it simple. A bit of old and new. Or rather old and less old. You know how we do in comics here lol. Today I have some master illustrators and some guys you say write good. Today I ask you if Jack Davis, Garth Ennis, Frank Frazetta or Ed Brubaker are in your top 10.
Jack Davis: No. I like MAD and Davis was a big part of that, but that isn't enough to get him into my top ten.
Garth Ennis: hmmm, I'll say No for now. He'd probably make my top ten writers, though. I might have to change my mind later on, depending on space.
Frazetta: No. As an artist and illustrator, definitely yes, but as a comic artist, probably no. I haven't really seen enough, even though I liked the Johnny Comet book I read back in the 90s.
Brubaker: No. Probably haven't read enough to decide what I think of him. I was mildly disappointed in the one thing I've read, but my expectations may have been unfairly high.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 19:13:14 GMT -5
Canniff (Terry and the Pirates, Steve Canyon, Male Call) and Raymond (Flash Gordon, Rip Kirby, Secret Agent X-9, Jungle Jim) were known for several strips each. Foster (Tarzan and Prince Valiant) was well known for at least 2. Walt Kelly produced a host of comics for Dell in addition to doing Pogo (not to mention his time as a Disney animator). You should probably reexamine some of your assumptions about strip creators as they are inaccurate. -M Regardless, I would only consider comic book creators for this exercise. And that's fine and perfectly valid choice for you. But it doesn't need to be rationalized with assumptions that are false and come across as condescending and insulting to strip creators. Your standards are your standards. It's about your top 10 creators. But there's no need to degrade and be dismissive of an entire category of creators just because they didn't move from property to property that you like working on other people's creations and instead did their own thing and created something sustainable on their own and stuck with it. -M
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Post by berkley on Apr 17, 2022 19:21:21 GMT -5
Day Seventeen ChoicesOkay today is cleanup day. Some people been sloppy and been mentioning people who’d make their list. I have considered walking up to all of you and giving you a slap and screaming keep Dave Steven’s name out your mouth but instead I have forgiven you and I’m gonna clean this up now to restore the faith in this institution. Today I want to know if you have a spot for Richard Corben, Chris Claremont, Geoff Johns, Al Williamson, Dave Stevens, Dave McKean, Keith Giffen, or Brandon Graham.
Corben: I'll say no, for now, though I can see him getting in if I have more space than I'm anticipating. The first Den is probably my favourite ERB-inspired comic story of all time.
Claremont: No. I can enjoy his superhero stories when he's paired with the right artist but he's nowhere near top ten, probably not even top 25 or what have you.
Johns: No. Haven't read much of anything but he strikes me as one of those guys who has few influences or interests outside the narrow boundaries of superhero comics.
Al Williamson: Yes. Possibly my favourite artist. For anyone else, I might question whether his body of work is large enough but I love his style much I can't leave him out.
McKean: No. Haven't read a whole lot, like what I've seen, but not to the point of him being a personal favourite.
Giffen: No. He might make my list of favourite superhero artists of the 70s and 80s, but not top ten comics creators in general.
Graham: No. First time hearing of him. I like the samples posted, though.
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Post by berkley on Apr 17, 2022 19:26:51 GMT -5
Day Eighteen ChoicesI want to get to some people who can draw like anything. I want to know if Wally Wood, Bill Sienkiewicz, or Bernie Wrightson are in your top 10. Three monsters who can probably draw great monsters.
Wally Wood: Yes, though I'm afraid my ten is filling up fast.
Sienkiwicz: No. I like much of his work quite a bit, dislike some other things. Even at his best he's whose work someone I admire and appreciate more than love.
Wrightson: another toughie. I'd certainly have said yes for most of my comics-reading life, but his body of work isn't huge. Swamp Thing plus a few short pieces. Like Frazetta, probably a top ten favourite artist, though.
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Post by berkley on Apr 17, 2022 19:27:26 GMT -5
I better start counting, I might be getting close to 10 already.
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