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Post by badwolf on Apr 12, 2022 11:57:15 GMT -5
I was wrong, I have read some Brubaker X-Men. It was good, but not enough for the list. Probably all my entries will be "classic" creators.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 12, 2022 13:31:54 GMT -5
Day Sixteen ChoicesToday I want to keep it simple. A bit of old and new. Or rather old and less old. You know how we do in comics here lol. Today I have some master illustrators and some guys you say write good. Today I ask you if Jack Davis, Garth Ennis, Frank Frazetta or Ed Brubaker are in your top 10. Garth Ennis - Preacher and his run on Hellblazer are some of my favorite comics of all time. Add in that he does the best war comics of the current era and The Boys and he's definitely in. Ed Brubaker - Criminal. Scene of the Crime. Reckless. The single best writer of noir comics ever. Yeah...he's in. Jack Davis - Big Fan. He'd be probably top twenty-five-ish. Frank Frazetta - I love his work, but he's always going to be more of a painter to me than a comic book guy. Not top ten, but he's still up there. Top Ten (Comic Books): Gaiman, Moore, Barks, Cooke, Ellis, Brennart, Ennis, Brubaker Top Ten (Comic Strips): Watterson, Breathed, Caniff, Schulz
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Post by chaykinstevens on Apr 12, 2022 14:57:26 GMT -5
Considering your tastes run towards indy and underground stuff, if you were interested in trying Brubaker, I would suggest Lowlife, Brubaker's essentially self-published comic from the early 90s, essentially slice of life stories about petty crimes. I didn't think Lowlife was self-publisherd - it says Caliber Press on the cover.
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Post by Duragizer on Apr 12, 2022 15:21:10 GMT -5
No to all four.
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Post by MDG on Apr 12, 2022 15:29:07 GMT -5
.... If I ever read anything by Brubaker or Ennis it's news to me. Considering your tastes run towards indy and underground stuff, if you were interested in trying Brubaker, I would suggest Lowlife, Brubaker's essentially self-published comic from the early 90s, essentially slice of life stories about petty crimes. You might also look at The Fall, a one-shot he wrote with Jason Lutes (of Berlin fame) on art published by Drawn & Quarterly in 2001. -M Thanks--I'll keep an eye out. In the meantime, I might look at some of his crime stuff on Hoopla
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Post by Trevor on Apr 13, 2022 8:16:23 GMT -5
Day Sixteen Response and Wrap—Up
It’s been mentioned earlier how we all may have a list of 11-20 that is fifty members long, and these four might all make that for me. I've barely read any Brubaker and he’s already way up there for me, so someday when I read this backlog he may join Moore as the only (mostly) writers in my top ten. I haven’t finished Preacher but love what I’ve read, and the other short bits of Ennis’ work I’ve seen over the decades. Pretty sure he’ll climb my rankings as I read more.
Perhaps Jack Davis will be elevated as I read farther back, but he’s one of the long list where I feel I've barely scratched the surface of his work. Frazetta’s art is breathtaking, but most of his comic work was before my lifetime and not in my collection. So while he may make my top ten artists list, just not enough history with his comic work to make my top ten comic creators list.
My list so far: Frank Miller Jack Kirby Carl Barks Alan Moore Mike Mignola Jeff Lemire
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Post by Trevor on Apr 13, 2022 8:20:09 GMT -5
Day Seventeen Choices
Okay today is cleanup day. Some people been sloppy and been mentioning people who’d make their list. I have considered walking up to all of you and giving you a slap and screaming keep Dave Steven’s name out your mouth but instead I have forgiven you and I’m gonna clean this up now to restore the faith in this institution.
Today I want to know if you have a spot for Richard Corben, Chris Claremont, Geoff Johns, Al Williamson, Dave Stevens, Dave McKean, Keith Giffen, or Brandon Graham.
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 13, 2022 8:31:24 GMT -5
Day Seventeen ChoicesOkay today is cleanup day. Some people been sloppy and been mentioning people who’d make their list. I have considered walking up to all of you and giving you a slap and screaming keep Dave Steven’s name out your mouth but instead I have forgiven you and I’m gonna clean this up now to restore the faith in this institution. Today I want to know if you have a spot for Richard Corben, Chris Claremont, Geoff Johns, Al Williamson, Dave Stevens, Dave McKean, Keith Giffen, or Brandon Graham. Yeah, I'd add Stevens to my list. The Rocketeer was one of THE great creations of the 1980s. As for the others, I respect the work of Corben and Claremont, loooove me some Williamson (he'd make my Top 25 artists), have never read anything by McKean or Graham, and can't abide Giffen as writer or artist (I loathe the "bwah-hah-hah" Justice League). So my lists are now
Top Ten (comic books): Barks, Gilbert Hernandez, Kirby, Perez*, Stevens Top Ten (comic strips): Canniff, Schulz, Watterson
* provisional
Cei-U! I summon Cliff Secord!
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 13, 2022 8:33:46 GMT -5
Claremont, Williamson and Stevens are in my 'multiple elevens' category, i.e., they come just short of having top-ten status. Corben and Giffen have both done work I truly like, but they're not top tier for me. I only have a passing familiarity with Johns and McKean's work, and this is the first time I've even heard of Brandon Graham. So no to all of them.
Edited to add: my picks so far, i.e., Buscema brothers, Moore, Perez (forgot him in previous updates), Simonson, Byrne, and Brennert.
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Post by badwolf on Apr 13, 2022 8:34:06 GMT -5
Chris Claremont, definitely yes.
No to the others, although I like most of them. I have never heard of Brandon Graham.
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Post by commond on Apr 13, 2022 9:07:36 GMT -5
Let's see. I'm aware of who Richard Corben is, but I haven't read anything by him yet. Claremont is probably the creator whose departure from a book upset me the most. I was 12 when he was fired and it was unfathomable to me that anyone else could write the X-Men. That said, as an adult, I don't have a huge amount of interest in his work. I haven't gotten up to Johns yet. Williamson was a brilliant artist. I'm starting to think that we'd get more mileage out of a top 100 than a top 10 list. Stevens is great, but he can't make the top 10 just because of the Rocketeer. That's impossible. McKean is another cover guy. I think his interior work difficult to follow at times. I loved Giffen as a kid, but I haven't been big on him as an adult. Giffen/DeMatteis JLI is one of my all-time favorite comic books series, so he has that going for him. I might actually prefer him as a writer/plotter these days to an artist. Brandon Graham, I had to Google.
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Post by MDG on Apr 13, 2022 9:24:05 GMT -5
Perhaps Jack Davis will be elevated as I read farther back, but he’s one of the long list where I feel I've barely scratched the surface of his work. If you want to cut to the chase, read "Betsy" from Two-Fisted Tales. Davis wrote and drew it and it's among his best comic stories. You can read it here. Interestingly, the one horror story he wrote, "Country Clubbing" in Haunt of Fear 23, has basically the same structure. Day Seventeen Choices.... Today I want to know if you have a spot for Richard Corben, Chris Claremont, Geoff Johns, Al Williamson, Dave Stevens, Dave McKean, Keith Giffen, or Brandon Graham. None make my top 10, but... Corben--If it wasn't for finding his work when I did, I don;t know that I'd still care about comics. He seemed to have a style like nothing else (though I've since recognozed influences of Maxfield Parrish and Hannes Bok.) As I'm picking up some undergrounds I missed, I'm usually focusing on books he contributed to. Claremont--Never got why he was such a thing, except for his ability to set up a cliffhanger. Geoff Johns--No opinion Al Williamson--At times, my favorite artist, but no longer in the top 10. A pro, produced some work that's as good as any comics ever. Always a nice guy at cons. Dave Stevens--A much needed breath of fresh air when he appeared. Knew how to make comics. Might make the top 10 if I went back to his work more frequently, but, unfortunately, there's not a lot to go back to. Dave McKean--Talented, but never seen anything that really connected with me. Often technique gets in the way of story. Kieth Giffen--If it wasn't for Giffen, I may have totally given up on DC in the 80s. I loved his evolving style and that he recognized the inherent humor in superheroes. Then he went off the deep end... Brandon Graham--I think this is the first time I've read that name.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 13, 2022 9:26:03 GMT -5
Day Seventeen ChoicesOkay today is cleanup day. Some people been sloppy and been mentioning people who’d make their list. I have considered walking up to all of you and giving you a slap and screaming keep Dave Steven’s name out your mouth but instead I have forgiven you and I’m gonna clean this up now to restore the faith in this institution. Today I want to know if you have a spot for Richard Corben, Chris Claremont, Geoff Johns, Al Williamson, Dave Stevens, Dave McKean, Keith Giffen, or Brandon Graham. Richard Corben - I respect Corben and appreciate his talent. I don't, however, enjoy his work. Chris Claremont - No. I find Claremont almost unreadable at this point. Geoff Johns - Lord no! Al Williamson - Very close. Probably top 25 in comics. Honestly, I'll slate him in on comic strips, though he could get edged out later. Dave Stevens - Also close. I love Rocketeer and his covers. Top 50 easily and in the higher echelons of that. Dave McKean - Love his covers. Not as big a fan of his interior art. But no. Keith Giffen - No. But I actually really like a lot of his work. Brandon Graham - I have literally never heard of this person. Top Ten (Comic Books): Gaiman, Moore, Barks, Cooke, Ellis, Brennart, Ennis, Brubaker Top Ten (Comic Strips): Watterson, Breathed, Caniff, Schulz, Al Williamson,
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 13, 2022 9:46:59 GMT -5
Richard Corben: Not the top ten, but in my top thirty--a truly unique talent who could be too good for some of the material he worked on.
Chris Claremont: No. I was there for his contribution to the X-Men, but far too much was made of that single achievement, only leasing me to see the fault lines in his work.
Geoff Johns: No--Not by any stretch of the imagination.
Al Williamson: One of the great breakout artists of the late Golden Age, and far above all else he achieved, Secret Agent X-9 was every the jewel in his crown (even above his take on Flash Gordon)...but even that cannot get him into the top ten, so that's a no to Williamson.
Dave Stevens: No.
Dave McKean: No.
Keith Giffen: Criminally underrated, but no, he's not in my top ten.
Brandon Graham: No.
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 13, 2022 10:21:29 GMT -5
Richard Corben: Like him well enough, but not read enough to really judge him. What I've read, didn't put him on the top of my lists.
Chris Claremont: He's been very influential on my comic reading and I like a lot of the things he did. He's also capable of annoying me like few other writers can and none of his recent work has interested me in the slightest.
Geoff Johns: Has the amazing ability to take an interesting concept and give it the most boring execution possible. So nope.
Al Williamson: On checking, I've read more of his work than I thought. Not one of my favourites though.
Dave Stevens: I like the Rocketeer, but I never read the comics. And I don't think I read any of his other works.
Dave McKean: Great artist, Signal to Noise is still my favourite Gaiman standalone work. Not enough comic material to make it to my Top 10 list though.
Keith Giffen: Lot of work by him that I like, lot of work by him that I felt indifferent about.
Brandon Graham: I like him a lot: he made a Rob Liefeld creation interesting (Prophet). I liked Multiple Warheads. Reminds me that I need to buy and read more by him. Not enough to get into the Top10 though.
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