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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Apr 11, 2022 16:20:38 GMT -5
I don't know a lot of Andru, but then I've read very little Spider-man older than say the 80's. Ditko not a huge fan of general. Nothing against him, I'm just mostly indifferent. McFarlane is not to most people's liking. But I liked the 15-16 issues he did for Spider-man when they launched the title. (And I say that in regards to the art itself. Writing is not his strong suit.) I don't think I've read anything of his from ASM. I think he improved somewhat as he got more work. I was reading Invasion not too long ago and wow in two years he was vastly better in Spiderman than Invasion.
Most of what I know of Gil Kane is his work with Adam Warlock and most random stuff that I bought, seeing he did the art to, but can't recall. Did he do any interiors/covers for Captain Marvel? But yeah none of these, and good and talented as most of them, just not my style, would make my top ten.
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 11, 2022 16:54:56 GMT -5
Most of what I know of Gil Kane is his work with Adam Warlock and most random stuff that I bought, seeing he did the art to, but can't recall. Did he do any interiors/covers for Captain Marvel? But yeah none of these, and good and talented as most of them, just not my style, would make my top ten. Kane worked on the original Captain Marvel from issue #17 (October, 1969) - ...to #21 (August, 1970)-- ...which was the final issue before its return in September of 1972, and by that time, Kane only provided a few covers, such as-- ...and...
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 11, 2022 18:40:47 GMT -5
Warren Ellis was on my list at one time.. Transmet is amazing, and I loved Doom 2099 as well... but I've realized since that Transmet is all he's got.. most of his other stories are either poor imitations or just generic 'edgy' sci fi. Planetary has entered the chat. I've never been able to get into Planetary.. I've tried it a couple times... just doesn't click with me for whatever reason. I never really liked his Stormwatch either (even though I was super excited when he took over the book)
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 11, 2022 18:43:45 GMT -5
Day Fifteen ChoicesIn an episode of the podcast (11oClock Comics) Vince proclaimed that Ross Andru was the greatest artist of Spider-Man of all time, to which Wood offered Andru was one of 6 artists in that discussion along with Steve Ditko, Todd McFarlane, both Romitas, and Gil Kane. Today I ask you two questions. The first, are any of the artists - sans the Romitas who were already an option - on your Top 10? The second is who is your favorite Spider-Man artist? Apparently I'm not the only one who doesn't like McFarlane... his art just do anything for him, and my attempts to read Spawn haven't impressed me with his plotting skills. I appreciate Ditko, but he's not in my personal top 10.. he might be on a list of most important artists for sure though. Same with Kane. Ross Andru I know exists, but I can't really picture his work.
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Post by Trevor on Apr 12, 2022 5:16:29 GMT -5
Day Fifteen Response and Wrap—Up
Love them, and their importance to the industry and long and varied output (including both on my Micronauts!) would have Kane and Ditko in my top 50.
The other artists are solid, but Spider-man was never my jam, so none of them were in my sights for enough time to be in my top tier.
It’d be hard to pick my favorite Spidey artist. Could probably convince myself of any one of them. I’ll go with Ditko today.
My list so far: Frank Miller Jack Kirby Carl Barks Alan Moore Mike Mignola Jeff Lemire
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Post by Trevor on Apr 12, 2022 5:19:58 GMT -5
Day Sixteen Choices
Today I want to keep it simple. A bit of old and new. Or rather old and less old. You know how we do in comics here lol.
Today I have some master illustrators and some guys you say write good.
Today I ask you if Jack Davis, Garth Ennis, Frank Frazetta or Ed Brubaker are in your top 10.
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 12, 2022 5:23:16 GMT -5
Day Sixteen ChoicesToday I want to keep it simple. A bit of old and new. Or rather old and less old. You know how we do in comics here lol. Today I have some master illustrators and some guys you say write good. Today I ask you if Jack Davis, Garth Ennis, Frank Frazetta or Ed Brubaker are in your top 10. Never read anything by Ennis or Brubaker. And while I appreciate both Davis and the oft-overhyped (not overrated) Frazetta, neither makes my list.
Cei-U! I summon the goose egg!
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 12, 2022 5:33:08 GMT -5
Ennis and Brubaker definitely no. Frazetta has done absolutely gorgeous comics work, but not enough to put him in that highest tier for me. Also, the actual stories are often just all right (not necessarily his fault, I know). Jack Davis was an absolutely amazing creator, a master satirical cartoonist, but I haven't read enough of his material for him to come into consideration as a personal favorite. So no to both of them as well.
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 12, 2022 5:55:25 GMT -5
Brubaker would make Top 20 writers for me as I adore Criminal (and its various not-really Criminal, but really it's just Criminal, let's be honest) and Sleeper. He's very focused on a singular style though (nothing wrong with that), so not Top 10.
Ennis: He needs a strong editor to keep his excess in check. When focused, he's a very good writer. He won't make it to my Top 20 writers though let alone Top 10 creators.
Frank Frazetta: Not a fan.
Jack Davis: Don't think I've read anything by him? Maybe some work in MAD, apparently?
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 12, 2022 8:28:37 GMT -5
Jack Davis: Within the top 20. Perhaps grossly underestimated in the annals of cartoon / comic book and advertising art, he had a serious impact on horror and war comics, product and film poster art, and so much more that his work / style was as known outside of comics as within it. One of the kings of comic magazine art.
Garth Ennis: no.
Frank Frazetta: Easily top 20 and like Davis, one of the true kings of comic magazine art.
Ed Brubaker? For...? No.
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Post by badwolf on Apr 12, 2022 8:34:41 GMT -5
Frank Frazetta: Even though I know he did comics, it's not the first thing I think of. #1 artist, absolutely - top 10 in comics, no.
Garth Ennis: I love his Hellblazer work, but otherwise he seems to be one of those people who goes to excess and it's just not for me. So another no.
Davis and Brubaker, not read.
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Post by commond on Apr 12, 2022 8:38:56 GMT -5
Jack Davis, I'm not familiar with. Frazetta, I only know from his covers. Ennis produced two of the best runs I've read (Hellblazer and Preacher.) If he has another run or two like that, I think he'd be a strong chance at making my list. I've only just started reading Brubaker. He's very good.
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Post by MDG on Apr 12, 2022 8:46:58 GMT -5
Jack Davis is my favorite artist who drew comics, but not one of my favorite comic artists.
Frazetta's an excellent artist, though I never understood his place at the pinnacle of his generation. One theory I have is that, because he became famous for his paintings, people could point at him and say, "See? He's a real artist!" I found the movie about him, Painting with Fire, a frustrating viewing experience.
If I ever read anything by Brubaker or Ennis it's news to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 11:05:20 GMT -5
I respect the oeuvre of Jack Davis work but it's not one that particularly resonates with me, so he wouldn't make my top tier.
If Ennis only wrote war stories, he'd rate much higher on my list, but I haven't been able to get through any of his non-war runs after multiple tires. A lot of it is self-indulgent nonsense that others have mentioned needed a strong editor to cut away the tripe to find the core of the good stories that were in there.
Frazetta is easily one of my favorite creators for the entire oeuvre of his work. I really like his comic work as well, especially if you include strips like Johnny Comet, and my ultimate litmus test for inclusion is would I buy anything regardless of genre if they were one of the creators, and for Frazetta the answer is yes. I have bought comics for his art that I would otherwise have been completely uninterested in. So yes, Frazetta makes my top 10.
Brubaker is my favorite writer currently producing comics. I've liked everything of his that I have read with one exception, his short time producing X-Men comics, but that may be down to editorial choices regarding the direction of the books and the effect of diluting the concept by putting out dozens of X-Men books at the same time making it nigh impossible for any creator to produce top tier stuff for those books unless they are given complete control of the line. But for DC- Batman, Gotham Central, various Vertigo projects, for Marvel- Captain America, Daredevil, Secret Avengers, for Wildstorm-Sleeper, and creator-owned-Criminal, The Fall, Fatale, The Fade Out, Velvet, Pulp. Kill or Be Killed, Reckless, all are books that mostly remain in my library (other than those that were lent out and never returned that need to be replaced) and have been revisited on multiple occasions. But like others, I lean towards complete cartoonists (even though Brubaker did draw his own stuff in the earliest indy books he did (see Lowlife from '91), so I am going to tentatively place Brubaker in my top 10 but like Lemire, he may be ousted depending on which creators get nominated over the course of the rest of this).
So my top 10 is now: Moebius, Joe Kubert, Darwyn Cooke, Canniff, Frazetta, (with Lemire and Brubaker with probationary status)
-M
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 11:08:52 GMT -5
Jack Davis is my favorite artist who drew comics, but not one of my favorite comic artists. Frazetta's an excellent artist, though I never understood his place at the pinnacle of his generation. One theory I have is that, because he became famous for his paintings, people could point at him and say, "See? He's a real artist!" I found the movie about him, Painting with Fire, a frustrating viewing experience. If I ever read anything by Brubaker or Ennis it's news to me. Considering your tastes run towards indy and underground stuff, if you were interested in trying Brubaker, I would suggest Lowlife, Brubaker's essentially self-published comic from the early 90s, essentially slice of life stories about petty crimes. You might also look at The Fall, a one-shot he wrote with Jason Lutes (of Berlin fame) on art published by Drawn & Quarterly in 2001. -M
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