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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Apr 4, 2022 8:42:02 GMT -5
Oh and I will toss in a late "omg you must read" vote for Berkeley Breathed and anything Bloom County....ack!
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Post by james on Apr 4, 2022 9:03:24 GMT -5
Neal Adams would have been in my top 10, probably top 5, if you'd asked me this a few decades ago. As it is, he falls in my ever-expanding category of 'not-quite top 10 material' that includes Kubert, Romita Sr., etc. Mazzucchelli doesn't even come close. Actually that's a good point. Looking at the top ten are we looking at the clears at their peak? Because I agree Neal Adams now would not make my top ten but Neal from the 60's and 70's would be a top 5 creator.
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Post by MDG on Apr 4, 2022 9:08:17 GMT -5
I'll just copy this: No to both. Adams is a wonderful illustrator but a wretched storyteller. I like Mazzuchelli's art but it's nowhere near Top Ten worthy. Also... Adams is historically important in the sense that he revolutionized the medium. I re-read his Deadman stuff last year and his panel layouts were phenomenal. He had the same approach to comics that 60s filmmakers had to cinema. But, ultimately, he's one of those guys who's just not prolific enough for me.... I don't know that he revolutionized the industry. At the time, his work looked totally different than anything else, but--at least with the comic fans I knew when I was in my teens (and older)--at the cost of making people who could turn in good work on deadline on a regular basis seem like hacks. You know, folks like Aparo, Swan, Kane, Buscema, Romita, Kane, who were totally taken for granted in the 70s.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 4, 2022 9:20:23 GMT -5
Day Eight ChoicesLet’s just get to some serious comics decisions to kick of the week. Today I’m asking if David Mazzuchelli or Neal Adams are in your Top 10? I'm a big fan of the Mazzuchelli work that I've read. Love Year One and Born Again. And I liked Asterios Polyp when I read it. But there just isn't enough there for him to crack the top ten or even the top twenty. Adams. Nah. Once upon a time, maybe. But his work hasn't aged well for me. He draws pretty pictures, but he's not a great storyteller. And he's an absolutely wretched writer.
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Post by foxley on Apr 4, 2022 9:25:57 GMT -5
Adams Yes. Nothing can diminish the fact that he was the illustrator on some of my all-time favourite Batman stories. Just don't let him write.
Mazzuchelli No. A decent enough artist, but nowhere near my top 10.
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Post by badwolf on Apr 4, 2022 9:35:46 GMT -5
Mazz is ok but seems to just be a Miller clone.
Adams is great but I never followed him, so no also.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 4, 2022 9:51:55 GMT -5
Adams for sure a yes. He transformed how all artists tried to draw after he arrived. If he wasn’t prolific enough ( which I dispute) it was because comics pays badly and he made his money in advertising. Mazzuchelli , not even close to top 100.
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Post by majestic on Apr 4, 2022 10:32:05 GMT -5
Adams Yes.
Mazzuchelli No. A good artist but not top 10.
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 4, 2022 10:53:19 GMT -5
Adams is historically important in the sense that he revolutionized the medium. I re-read his Deadman stuff last year and his panel layouts were phenomenal. He had the same approach to comics that 60s filmmakers had to cinema. But, ultimately, he's one of those guys who's just not prolific enough for me. As far as Mazzuchelli goes, I like Born Again, I like Year One, but I haven't read his graphic novels. I need more than two classic stories, but he's a fine artist. David Mazzuchelli - no. Neal Adams - yes.As commond observed, Adams revolutionized the medium; what was once the domain of publishers such as EC and Warren, Adams brought to superhero comics an unprecedented blend of the photographer's eye with the damatist's sense of why the images served the characters. He's one of the few to actually change the language of the medium. His work was not just bodies scribbled in panels or there just to be there for action's sake--in other words, the industry would not be the same if he selected another career path. Whille Irv Novick was the first bring back a mature Batman in the wake of the Moldoff horrors, Adams took full advantage of redefining Batman to look and act as a costumed person would in a realistic city, which only complimented the wonderful restoration of the character as serious detective, who happened to wear a fantastic costume. Adams' list of credits from DC, Marvel (comics and magazines), Warren, etc., is one of the finest records in the medium's history. Add his advocacy for creator rights, and he will always be on the Mount Rushmore of comic creators.
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 4, 2022 11:06:31 GMT -5
Neither Adams nor Mazzuchelli would make my top 10. They in that vast ocean of American superhero artists that I go "Yeah, sure, they are fine.", but don't have any strong feelings about.
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 4, 2022 11:12:12 GMT -5
Neal Adams would have been in my top 10, probably top 5, if you'd asked me this a few decades ago. As it is, he falls in my ever-expanding category of 'not-quite top 10 material' that includes Kubert, Romita Sr., etc. Mazzucchelli doesn't even come close. Actually that's a good point. Looking at the top ten are we looking at the clears at their peak? Because I agree Neal Adams now would not make my top ten but Neal from the 60's and 70's would be a top 5 creator.
I think that's a decision everybody will have to make for themselves. Would a single great work enough to make your top 10? Do the peaks overcome the lows? Does a period of mediocre work lessen their earlier successes? Is it important for a creator to have a wide array of works in different genres/styles or is mastering a single style more important to you?
I think the answers and weights to all these questions will differ from person to person here.
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Post by Trevor on Apr 4, 2022 11:14:11 GMT -5
Yep, everyone can define ‘top ten’ in their own way. My favorite ten, and best ten, and desert island ten might be three entirely different lists!
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Post by dbutler69 on Apr 4, 2022 13:04:30 GMT -5
Day Eight ChoicesLet’s just get to some serious comics decisions to kick of the week. Today I’m asking if David Mazzuchelli or Neal Adams are in your Top 10? David Mazzuchelli: heck no Neal Adams: Yes, yes, and yes!
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Post by berkley on Apr 4, 2022 18:30:42 GMT -5
Neal Adams: No. Great cover artist, but I'm not a big fan of his interior work especially on superhero comics. I wish he'd done a good supernatural book or something lese with moreplain clothes characters.
David Mazzuchelli: No. I liked his work on Batman Year 1 but not enough to place him in my top ten and that's all I've read from him.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 4, 2022 22:47:47 GMT -5
Couple days of Catch up for me:
'family' artists While I appreciate The Romitas and Sal Buscema, they're not really in my personal list.... John might be for Conan... might depend on the day. I've tried Love and Rockets a couple times, it does absolutely nothing for me at all.. poor art and a boring story IMO... like a kid drawing a comic strip of a TV soap opera. Just not my thing.
Carl Barks Definitely... guy was amazing. I 2nd Shaxper that Don Rosa is a contender too (thought probably not top 10)
I am not a fan of either Alan Moore or Grant Morrison .. I think both are a rather overrated. Moore I can appreciate from a historical standpoint, but I just like others better. Morrison is a egotistical twat.
Neal Adams has some great stuff and some meh stuff.. maybe a top 10 artist, but not a top 10 creator.
Paul Pope Not sure why he is even in the discussion.. seems like a small body of work. I guess battling boy was OK, don't think I've read anything else by him. Same with David Mazzuchelli I had to look him up... I wouldn't have picked his name out of a crowd.
I don't think Comic strips are the same, and wouldn't but them on the same list, but if I did Bill Watterson would definitely be considered. Not sure he'd quite make it, but close. I had to look up Berkeley Breathed Some of that stuff is decent, but certainly not top 10.
INcidently, I agree with Shax that Wendy Pini would likely be on my list.
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