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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 28, 2022 15:35:35 GMT -5
Bob Kane is not merely criticized for having ghost artists. Sheldon Moldoff called him “the most miserable son of a bitch I’ve ever known” for a number of reasons. I think a lot of people detest Bob Kane for the way he went out of his way to erase Bill Finger entirely. Kane was a product of his time, but he wasn't wise enough to quit while he was ahead. Once he became a mega star due to the 1960s Batmania, it was probably time to share some credit. And, when comic fandom started taking an active interest in creators and lavishing additional praise on him, it was certainly time to share some of the credit. Once the 1989 Batmania took hold, it was past time to share credit, and he still failed to do so. That he also went on to dabble in art and then do the same damn thing, passing off the works of others as his own, is just downright embarrassing. And that he really leapt into the role of celebrity genius doesn't reflect favorably on him either. He could have at least been somewhat modest in keeping the undo credit. I'm not a Kane supporter as much as I just can't really be arsed to care about him enough to think about it. Ham Fisher was also a miserable S.O.B. by most accounts and Al Capp was no jewel. Maybe there's a type.
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 28, 2022 15:57:54 GMT -5
I mispronounced Mazzucchelli's name far longer than Sienkiewicz's. How about Stan Lynde, artist/ writer of the Rick O'Shay comic strip. Is it Lynde" as in "wind" or "Lynde" as in "wind"?
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Post by tonebone on Mar 28, 2022 16:07:02 GMT -5
Wpuld have been cool if he had been a bookkeeper. I've always loved that word - three consecutive sets of double letters. I like to spell it as bbookkeeppeerr.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Mar 28, 2022 16:26:01 GMT -5
I mispronounced Mazzucchelli's name far longer than Sienkiewicz's. Yeah, but even Sienkiewicz doesn't pronounce his own last name right - at least not the way it's pronounced in the original Polish.
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Post by berkley on Mar 28, 2022 17:06:24 GMT -5
I'm another guy who's never seen ET: missed it when it was out and never have felt any inclination to go back and watch it - in contrast to Clse Encounters, another Spielberg SF movie I missed but one that I do plan to watch one of these days.
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 28, 2022 17:12:06 GMT -5
I'm not a Kane supporter as much as I just can't really be arsed to care about him enough to think about it. Ham Fisher was also a miserable S.O.B. by most accounts and Al Capp was no jewel. Maybe there's a type. Al Capp was a rapist.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 28, 2022 17:12:41 GMT -5
I mispronounced Mazzucchelli's name far longer than Sienkiewicz's. How about Stan Lynde, artist/ writer of the Rick O'Shay comic strip. Is it Lynde" as in "wind" or "Lynde" as in "wind"? I'd have said windy myself! But pronounced windy or windy?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 28, 2022 17:14:21 GMT -5
I just assumed it was pronounced the same as Paul Lynde.
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Post by berkley on Mar 28, 2022 17:27:50 GMT -5
On the consensus question, I don't think there is one for American superhero comics - too fan-oriented and therefore based on emotion and subjective favourites rather than any attempt at critical assessment. Comparing it to other pop culture media, I think it probably has the smallest body of criticism of any of them. Look at pop music, for example, and the numbers of books written on that subject and its artists. Comics suffers by comparison - and I would say not only in terms of quantity but also of quality.
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 28, 2022 18:15:52 GMT -5
How about Stan Lynde, artist/ writer of the Rick O'Shay comic strip. Is it Lynde" as in "wind" or "Lynde" as in "wind"? I'd have said windy myself! But pronounced windy or windy? Pronounced like "wind," as in to wind one's watch.
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 28, 2022 18:17:06 GMT -5
I just assumed it was pronounced the same as Paul Lynde. That's what I always thought, but then I heard it pronounced and/or saw it explained phonetically.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 28, 2022 20:22:26 GMT -5
I'd have said windy myself! But pronounced windy or windy? Pronounced like "wind," as in to wind one's watch.
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 28, 2022 21:29:30 GMT -5
On the consensus question, I don't think there is one for American superhero comics - too fan-oriented and therefore based on emotion and subjective favourites rather than any attempt at critical assessment. Comparing it to other pop culture media, I think it probably has the smallest body of criticism of any of them. Look at pop music, for example, and the numbers of books written on that subject and its artists. Comics suffers by comparison - and I would say not only in terms of quantity but also of quality. Interesting you should mention pop music, as I've come across too many that are filled with some of the most biased, fannish opinions passed off as fact, or regurgitate long-debunked "facts," which one of the reasons I no longer buy any books claiming to be an objective history of pop music (especially any about the Rolling Stones).
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 28, 2022 22:46:24 GMT -5
E.T. gave you nightmares? Something as innocuous and friendly as E.T.? Please, don’t watch ALIEN… Hey, I got a nightmare from a Gilligan's Island episode!
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 28, 2022 22:58:01 GMT -5
Also never saw or had any desire to see ET. It looked like a sacchriney kids movie and nothing since has dissuaded me from that opinion. Also, I find Spielberg's so-called warm films to be treacle and father issues. But, then, I'm a grumpy old SOB. Close Encounters was fine, Jaws is good stuff, Raiders is great. After that, there are always footnotes to the films.
I enjoy Back to the Future; but, did recognize the 50s Fantasy Nostalgia. Even early 50s-centric Happy Days was a bit more nuanced in looking at the period. Probably because Gary Marshal was older than Spielberg and Zemeckis, in the 50s. I kind of prefer the third film, since it has a nice mix of "fun" for fun's sake, and a few darker elements that don't overwhelm. I liked the Doc & Marty stuff more than the rest of BTTF, which also factors into the enjoyment more for 3.
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