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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 4, 2022 11:56:18 GMT -5
Can you think of a character of had a long standing personality, or power set, or whatever, who made a long lasting (or permanent) change that you disliked?
I was thinking of Kitty Pryde. Her first few years, she was one of my favorite characters. I loved her perky, bubbly, optimistic personality. I still fondly remember that hideous costume she made for herself (during Cockrum's second run, I think). By the late 80's, though, she had become a cynical, sarcastic young adult. Now, that personality change may have been realistic, considering all the bad things that happened to her (as happen to all Marvel superheroes, especially X-Men) especially at a early age, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. She had a new personality (by the same writer) and I didn't much care for it.
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples of a character taking a significant turn that I (or you) didn't like, but that was one that just popped into my head.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 4, 2022 12:10:28 GMT -5
Daredevil, when he went from fun loving swashbuckler into perennial whipping boy and cynical crime story protagonist. Don't get me wrong, I liked the Miller stories; but, everyone forgot that DD used to have a laugh, now and then, until Waid revived that.
Similarly, Batman having his sense of humor removed because we couldn't dare have anything that had a whiff of the tv series, in the 80s and beyond. Too much overcompensation, after a while.
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Post by majestic on Mar 4, 2022 13:36:43 GMT -5
Totally agree with Cody about Batman and Daredevil. Hal Jordan is another one. He was an Air Force pilot. To have him become someone bouncing around from job to job and uncertain about himself just didn't seem right. Although it seemed liked most DC or Marvel characters acted out of character in the 90s
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 4, 2022 14:36:48 GMT -5
Yeah definitely a good call on DD and Batman! What, majestic, you didn't like Hal Jordan as a toy salesman?
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Post by Duragizer on Mar 4, 2022 15:52:04 GMT -5
Superman, when he went from Siegel & Shuster's working class superhero who could jump one-eighth of a mile to National Comics' champion of the status quo who could juggle galaxies.
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Post by james on Mar 4, 2022 16:05:39 GMT -5
Wonder man becoming a pacifist.
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 4, 2022 17:39:03 GMT -5
Superman, when he went from Siegel & Shuster's working class superhero who could jump one-eighth of a mile to National Comics' champion of the status quo who could juggle galaxies. I preferred that early Superman, who was a product of the period he was created in and was often harsh--both philosophically and physically--on criminals, instead of the tiresome father figure he would become under Weisinger.
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Post by tolworthy on Mar 4, 2022 18:38:23 GMT -5
Crystal. From the most desirable girl in the world, super intelligent, fun, gorgeous, interesting, beautiful, dynamic, independent, faithful, I could go on... and then the moment Kirby left, she became sickly and distant and shallow. Beginning her career as what one blogger called (please forgive the crudity) "the Marvel Universe Bicycle." My theory is that Magneto switched her for someone else at the end of FF 102. He kidnapped Sue and Dorma in 104, but I bet that switching Crystal was his long game. Yeah that's it.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 4, 2022 18:44:12 GMT -5
Firestorm under John Ostrander comes to mind... he was alot more fun and unique before that.
I also think making John Stewart a military guy... I think they did it to match the depiction of Jim Rhodes (which of course happened in the movie first, the carried over), but I always like him as an architect better.
This could probably be said about alot of popular villains, but they made Magneto too 'good' for my taste.
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 4, 2022 18:52:22 GMT -5
Crystal. From the most desirable girl in the world, super intelligent, fun, gorgeous, interesting, beautiful, dynamic, independent, faithful, I could go on... and then the moment Kirby left, she became sickly and distant and shallow. Beginning her career as what one blogger called (please forgive the crudity) "the Marvel Universe Bicycle." My theory is that Magneto switched her for someone else at the end of FF 102. He kidnapped Sue and Dorma in 104, but I bet that switching Crystal was his long game. Yeah that's it. This is such a great example. In the mid- to late-1970s, I was reading the early Crystal stories in Marvel’s Greatest Comics and looking at what they had done to her from about 1970 on, and wondering “WHY?”
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Post by commond on Mar 4, 2022 19:16:52 GMT -5
I personally couldn’t imagine Daredevil or Batman any other way except for perhaps Batman being more of a detective than a masked vigilante. I know a lot of creators copied the Frank Miller model, but characters need to grow and evolve, and they also need to change with the times. If you can do that successfully then that’s good comic book writing in my book. It won’t be for everyone, but it will speak loudly to the readers it does resonate with. Where a lot of it failed was in the art. Trying too hard to create that 90s superhero look. Fortunately, Daredevil and Batman have iconic costumes.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 4, 2022 19:35:02 GMT -5
That didn't stop the experimenting though:
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Post by SJNeal on Mar 4, 2022 21:01:45 GMT -5
Wonder man becoming a pacifist. Ugh don't get me started... Remender used him as a plot device to tell his Rogue story, fine, but that story ended and Simon was left in limbo again. Since coming back, there's been no reason for him to uphold this pacifist b.s. Several writers have featured him in their stories... but as wallpaper! Why use him at all if you're not going to move his story forward?
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Post by berkley on Mar 4, 2022 21:36:37 GMT -5
Crystal. From the most desirable girl in the world, super intelligent, fun, gorgeous, interesting, beautiful, dynamic, independent, faithful, I could go on... and then the moment Kirby left, she became sickly and distant and shallow. Beginning her career as what one blogger called (please forgive the crudity) "the Marvel Universe Bicycle." My theory is that Magneto switched her for someone else at the end of FF 102. He kidnapped Sue and Dorma in 104, but I bet that switching Crystal was his long game. Yeah that's it.
This would be one of my top three or four. The other two would be Moondragon becoming a stupidly arrogant, untrustworthy menace and Thena, who's gone from a coolly intelligent leader to a lovesick, emotionally unstable teenager. Great job, writers!
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Post by Duragizer on Mar 5, 2022 0:59:30 GMT -5
That didn't stop the experimenting though: Azbats was a deliberate parody of the extreme '90s antiheroes, though.
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