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Post by Marv-El on Feb 13, 2022 15:14:41 GMT -5
There are a lot of heroes with their own book plus a team book. He was in FF, his own mag and WCA. Not quite in the Batman or Spider-man range but he was a bit of a fan favorite. Don't forget Marvel Two-In-One as well. As a kid, I read more of that than I did Marvel Team-Up. No such thing as too much Thing.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 13, 2022 16:10:58 GMT -5
The Thing was a real flagship character for Marvel's in the 70s and early 80s. Quite apart from being in a number of different comics, his mug was on lots of merchandise back then. Since the mid-80s, he's somewhat fallen out of favour with comic fans for some reason. Maybe because he didn't fit in with the post-DKR, post-Watchmen grim and gritty era?
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Post by commond on Feb 13, 2022 16:46:56 GMT -5
Does Thanos classify as over exposed?
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 13, 2022 16:59:25 GMT -5
Does Thanos classify as over exposed? If you're strictly talking about comics, that's debatable, but in the wake of his being all over those Marvel movies, and the rumor that he will return from the dead in the next phase of films, I'd say Thanos is overexposed. Personally, aside from some early appearances, i've never cared too much for the character, and certainly not in those movies.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Feb 14, 2022 10:11:50 GMT -5
I have for the most part enjoyed him as a character in comics. The movies not so much and so I haven't paid them much mind. But when he went from "who?" to a household name yeah I'd say he's way over exposed due to the MCU unfortunatley.
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Post by profh0011 on Feb 14, 2022 14:15:38 GMT -5
Does Thanos classify as over exposed? Before he was killed? NO. AFTER Jim Starlin brought him back from the dead? F****** absolutely.
A thought... if I were in a position to do Marvel movies any way I wanted, I could easily imagine adapting a truly "classic" story from the comics to the screen, as close as possible to the original comics: "Thanos The Insane God", where he got The Cosmic Cube and it took the combined powers of Mar-Vell, Moondragon, Drax The Destroyer and The Avengers to stop him.
It's a story I read and re-read multiple times over the years. It pretty much made Jim Starlin's reputation as a writer-artist, and for good reason.
But I'd never have wanted to do "The Infinity anything". F that.
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Post by impulse on Feb 14, 2022 15:23:39 GMT -5
Wolverine is just ridiculous at this point of his potential with his mutant powers to the point, that as I mentioned in the other thread, the last issue of his series I bought he foungt Galactus and won. At that point I wasn't sure what I was reading and looked back on the cover sure that was I was reading was a parody in an issue of MAD. I wasn't. It really was an issue of Wolverine I was suppose to take seriously. I remember that issue and thinking it was a bit silly, but if I recall correctly there were plot contrivances that helped, no? It's not like they played it as Wolverine straight-up defeating him. The most egregious one that I remember that really turned me off to his newer stories was in the wake of Civil War when a villain incinerated him literally down to the adamantium skeleton, and he regrew and came back. I need a word stronger than absurd to convey how ridiculous that amount of power creep was. His power creep was already making him boring, but piling on such utter BS like that really rubbed me the wrong way. I voted for Wolverine. In the 90s, he was oversaturating Marvel by basically being part of almost every title for the sake of sales. Prior to his "Origin" mini-series, he was sort of a cool character as he really didn't have a true background which made for being an interesting character. Now he's as old as the High Evolutionary and has a background, literally smashing everything that made him worth reading. The Wolverine: Origins miniseries is a cautionary tale and a textbook example of the question being more interesting than the answer. Wolverine as a mysterious, tortured loner was far more interesting than anything they could have written and especially what they did write.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Feb 15, 2022 9:24:03 GMT -5
Wolverine is just ridiculous at this point of his potential with his mutant powers to the point, that as I mentioned in the other thread, the last issue of his series I bought he foungt Galactus and won. At that point I wasn't sure what I was reading and looked back on the cover sure that was I was reading was a parody in an issue of MAD. I wasn't. It really was an issue of Wolverine I was suppose to take seriously. I remember that issue and thinking it was a bit silly, but if I recall correctly there were plot contrivances that helped, no? It's not like they played it as Wolverine straight-up defeating him. The most egregious one that I remember that really turned me off to his newer stories was in the wake of Civil War when a villain incinerated him literally down to the adamantium skeleton, and he regrew and came back. I need a word stronger than absurd to convey how ridiculous that amount of power creep was. His power creep was already making him boring, but piling on such utter BS like that really rubbed me the wrong way. I thought I remember hearing Hulk ripped him in half at one point and he grew back too. It is pretty ridiculous. Especially as I was reading through when Magneto pulled the adamantium from his skeleton and we found out he had bone claws, and then they got broke. Getting his adamantium back was kind of the dropping point for me. The Galactus issue was just it. Though I can't recall details at this point. I've since sold it when it was at a high price point so I can't read it again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2022 9:48:53 GMT -5
I remember that issue and thinking it was a bit silly, but if I recall correctly there were plot contrivances that helped, no? It's not like they played it as Wolverine straight-up defeating him. The most egregious one that I remember that really turned me off to his newer stories was in the wake of Civil War when a villain incinerated him literally down to the adamantium skeleton, and he regrew and came back. I need a word stronger than absurd to convey how ridiculous that amount of power creep was. His power creep was already making him boring, but piling on such utter BS like that really rubbed me the wrong way. I thought I remember hearing Hulk ripped him in half at one point and he grew back too. It is pretty ridiculous. Especially as I was reading through when Magneto pulled the adamantium from his skeleton and we found out he had bone claws, and then they got broke. Getting his adamantium back was kind of the dropping point for me. The Galactus issue was just it. Though I can't recall details at this point. I've since sold it when it was at a high price point so I can't read it again. Back in the 80's during the Kitty Pryde and Wolverine mini-series (which I loved and continued to make him a favorite character of mine at the time), there was some gravity to how much Wolverine could sustain. In that series there was a really shocking moment when a sword goes through his heart. Today most readers wouldn't blink, but back then I was completely shocked, like no way even his powers could recover from that. And then to find out he actually was able to heal, but BARELY, like this was the absolute extent of what Wolverine could go through, kind of made it special to me. Maybe not completely believable still, but a major moment for the character nonetheless. The examples above just seem like bad fan fictions to me and make Wolverine a caricature of what he once was.
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Post by impulse on Feb 15, 2022 11:04:41 GMT -5
I thought I remember hearing Hulk ripped him in half at one point and he grew back too. That at least was Ultimate Wolverine, so technically a different version of the character. The examples above ... make Wolverine a caricature of what he once was. You got it in a nutshell.
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Post by Randle-El on Feb 15, 2022 13:59:03 GMT -5
I remember reading Wolverine's solo appearances in the 80s/90s where he would get into fights and his inner monologue would often talk about his healing factor getting pushed to its limits against relatively lesser-powered foes. Then there was that famous scene in Days of Future Past where a Sentinel blew him away leaving only his adamantium skeleton. I also recall a letters column where the editor said that one way you could definitely kill Logan would be drowning him. So reading all that, I always had the impression that his healing factor was something that gave him an edge, but it didn't make him invincible, and there was a real possibility that he could be killed. I used to put him in the same category as Daredevil or Captain America -- a hero with just enough powers to make him exciting, but vulnerable enough to have dramatic tension. It wasn't until the X-Men movies that it occurred to me he might be overpowered. Those movies literally showed the flesh closing up around his wounds within seconds, which is a lot faster than I ever envisioned his healing factor.
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Post by Marv-El on Feb 15, 2022 14:00:37 GMT -5
The most egregious one that I remember that really turned me off to his newer stories was in the wake of Civil War when a villain incinerated him literally down to the adamantium skeleton, and he regrew and came back. I need a word stronger than absurd to convey how ridiculous that amount of power creep was. His power creep was already making him boring, but piling on such utter BS like that really rubbed me the wrong way. In that case, he should have easily shrugged this off then:
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Post by impulse on Feb 15, 2022 16:46:18 GMT -5
Yes, exactly. Not only was the new scene ridiculous on its own, but it flatly contradicted one of the most iconic Wolverine scenes ever published.
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 15, 2022 18:36:43 GMT -5
In that case, he should have easily shrugged this off then: Oh, if only Wolverine ended his run at that point...
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Post by impulse on Feb 15, 2022 19:19:43 GMT -5
Nah, he still had a lot of good stories left by that point and before it got really out of hand.
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