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Post by mikelmidnight on Aug 31, 2021 11:27:38 GMT -5
Plus all the angst it would save. Half the character development for Rogue and Gambit in the 90s is not being able to touch each other. Like guys, Genosha was giving these things away. Can't you get Prof X to make you one up for the bedroom and spare us all the sad far-off longing stares?
Or just, you know, lots of latex.
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Post by impulse on Aug 31, 2021 13:40:54 GMT -5
Plus all the angst it would save. Half the character development for Rogue and Gambit in the 90s is not being able to touch each other. Like guys, Genosha was giving these things away. Can't you get Prof X to make you one up for the bedroom and spare us all the sad far-off longing stares?
Or just, you know, lots of latex.
I think Claremont was already off the book by then...
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Post by MWGallaher on Aug 31, 2021 19:07:51 GMT -5
Here's one that probably has disappeared from modern comics, but we saw it all the time in the 70's and 80's:
The drunken bum that pours out his booze after he witnesses superheroes in action.
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Post by String on Aug 31, 2021 22:11:13 GMT -5
What is this still married and left Excalibur. I didn't even know she got married or went there in the first place, ha. In '18, Marvel released Rogue & Gambit, a five issue mini-series wherein the pair are sent on a undercover mission to investigate the disappearance of a group of mutants from an island spa/resort. Part of their cover identity was as an estranged couple willing to undertake the therapy sessions of the spa/resort. They resolved the mission while also contending with their long-standing relationship issues. Afterward, when Kitty Pryde canceled her wedding to Colossus, Gambit figured why waste a good set-up and proposed to Rogue on the spot. She accepted and the couple was wed instead. That lead to a short-lived title Mr & Mrs X that followed their new nuptials. Both of those series were written by Kelly Thompson whom I thought had an excellent grasp of both characters and their long history. Her characterizations felt like two people whom have been very close for a long time, whom love each other deeply yet they must resolve issues of mistrust and bad decisions that have plagued their relationship. It felt natural, it felt resolved, and I'm glad to see they finally did get married and remain so, it's good for the X-franchise.
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Post by String on Aug 31, 2021 22:20:23 GMT -5
This happens more in movies than in comics I think. Have kids smarter and wittier than the adults. GOD I HATE THAT! It is one of the reasons I stopped reading FF over the last several years. Not to mention that there has to be a child version of almost every adult hero. Tell me about it! I already have serious, serious issues with how Mr Fantastic can just invent anything, any time. But fine, if that is the story you want to tell., I suppose we can find some excuse, based on his enormous and highly unique experience. But then Valeria is smarter...? I look at it as Valeria may be as smart as Reed but perhaps she is more intuitive than he is. Reed is governed by reason & logic so occasionally he hits a roadblock that he has trouble navigating. Whereas he has trouble and may eventually reach the solution (but will he in time?! Oh no!), Valeria reaches the conclusion faster in a more natural, intuitive way. To me, it's the same as the X-Man, Forge, being able to create a suit of armor on par with Iron Man's armor but he and Stark do so in different ways. Sp how many degrees does Reed have? (Or for that matter, Doom too). Let's see, theoretical physics, nuclear physics, biology, chemistry, engineering, astrophysics, computer programming......
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Post by tartanphantom on Sept 1, 2021 23:01:22 GMT -5
I haven't seen it mentioned yet-- maybe I missed it:
-Super-hero A is cruising along, minding their own business, and completely by chance encounters Super-hero B for the first time ever.
-verbal line-crossing and catty repartee follows, and pretty soon they are coming to blows (god knows over what)
-after the altercation, they are both tired out, and then realize that "hey! I think we're both on the same side-- let's team up and fight villain X together!" (as "the good guys").
It's a variation of the Marvel Team-Up encounter trope previously mentioned (where good guy A thinks good guy B has "gone bad" until they beat the crap out of each other). However, in my described scenario, the two heroes have never met before.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 2, 2021 5:50:35 GMT -5
The elected official who refuses to listen to the wise warning of experts because it would hurt the town's economy, because it might frighten the population, or because the experts are eggheads who are surely exaggerating anyway.
Oh wait, that's how it keeps working in real life!
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Post by kirby101 on Sept 2, 2021 8:06:31 GMT -5
Yeah, but even the Mayor of Amnity eventually saw the light. The Governors of Florida, Texas, etc...don't seem to ever catch on.
"I don't care how many sharks are eating people, the beaches stay open!"
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Post by tonebone on Sept 2, 2021 8:13:57 GMT -5
I haven't seen it mentioned yet-- maybe I missed it:
-Super-hero A is cruising along, minding their own business, and completely by chance encounters Super-hero B for the first time ever.
-verbal line-crossing and catty repartee follows, and pretty soon they are coming to blows (god knows over what)
-after the altercation, they are both tired out, and then realize that "hey! I think we're both on the same side-- let's team up and fight villain X together!" (as "the good guys").
It's a variation of the Marvel Team-Up encounter trope previously mentioned (where good guy A thinks good guy B has "gone bad" until they beat the crap out of each other). However, in my described scenario, the two heroes have never met before.
That is possibly the most overused trope in comics, completely predictable, in every instance. HOWEVER, I giggled like a little girl when Iron Man, Cap, and Thor did this in The Avengers movie. How could they not?
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Post by berkley on Sept 2, 2021 23:38:57 GMT -5
The elected official who refuses to listen to the wise warning of experts because it would hurt the town's economy, because it might frighten the population, or because the experts are eggheads who are surely exaggerating anyway. Oh wait, that's how it keeps working in real life!
Yeah, for me, this one will never get tired - until it stops being true!
One of the best examples I can think of is Ibsen's An Enemy of the People.
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Post by tarkintino on Sept 3, 2021 6:56:05 GMT -5
Here's one that probably has disappeared from modern comics, but we saw it all the time in the 70's and 80's: The drunken bum that pours out his booze after he witnesses superheroes in action. I'm guessing that was borrowed from a very old movie and TV trope of a drunk witnessing anything strange (or what was considered unattractive), looking at the bottle (or glass),and tossing it away, as if it caused hallucinations. TV series such as Bewitched and I Dream of Jeannie and I'm almost sure a handful of Three Stooges shorts used that one a few times.
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Post by kirby101 on Sept 3, 2021 7:02:21 GMT -5
The elected official who refuses to listen to the wise warning of experts because it would hurt the town's economy, because it might frighten the population, or because the experts are eggheads who are surely exaggerating anyway. Oh wait, that's how it keeps working in real life!
Yeah, for me, this one will never get tired - until it stops being true!
One of the best examples I can think of is Ibsen's An Enemy of the People.
This play literally came true with how many reacted to COVID. "Close things down just to save lives? Never!"
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Post by foxley on Sept 4, 2021 0:22:10 GMT -5
1. Costumes that obstruct your vision. E.g. hoods that almost cover your eyes. How can you fight? How can you see the guy sneaking up on your left?
One of the few times a hood on a costume made sense was Mike Grell's run on Green Arrow post- Longbow Hunters, where Ollie says that one of his reasons for wearing a hood is the Seattle weather.
Of course, a close-up also shows that Ollie's hood is specifically cut away around the eyes to give him maximum peripheral vision.
This is the kind of detail I expect (and appreciate) from Grell, who is one of the few artist's to get archer's gloves right.
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Post by chadwilliam on Sept 5, 2021 15:19:52 GMT -5
If villain is an influential billionaire; then villain spends a significant portion of their time being debriefed on how their fortune is faring while engaged in hand-to-hand combat with subordinates employed for just that reason.
I was reminded of this one when re-reading a bit of Funeral for a Friend (follow-up to 1992's Death of Superman) and saw Lex Luthor of all people sparing against his karate instructor, Sasha Green.
Admittedly, the cheesiness of the idea is sort of Dan Jurgen's style and it makes sense for someone such as The Kingpin who might have to fight Daredevil at a moment's notice, but the idea that these businessmen villains seem to have a step-by-step life goal of:
1. Acquire wealth, 2. Gain respectability, 3. Acquire power, 4. Learn taekwondo
is, well, pretty amusing actually.
Oh, and along similar lines, is "Obese guy is actually in peak physical condition/all muscle" an overused trope or is it just something which feels like it given the number of times it's been brought up when The Kingpin makes an appearance? It's been used for The Penguin on at least two occasions I can recall (one of which utilized the cliched montage of 'Penguin lifting weights, Penguin doing karate, shirtless Penguin showing off pecs and bulging bi-ceps') but I can't honestly cite more characters who have had this idea applied to them off the top of my head.
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Post by badwolf on Sept 5, 2021 16:13:48 GMT -5
How can something so big--move so fast??
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