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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 8:14:38 GMT -5
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. No-one will like the same things - and discussion is good!
Wasn't Diesel the first person to win the WWF World Heavyweight Championship, Intercontinental Champions and World Tag Team Championships in the same calendar year? That's quite an achievement.
Imagine if one day the WWF booked someone to win a world title, I-C title and tag team title in the same night!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 11:30:28 GMT -5
Wasn't Diesel the first person to win the WWF World Heavyweight Championship, Intercontinental Champions and World Tag Team Championships in the same calendar year? That's quite an achievement. He accomplished this feat in 2008.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 12:38:21 GMT -5
2008? I'm confused (easily enough when you have a small brain like mine). I was thinking of when he did it in 1994, beating Razor for the I-C Title, then, with Shawn, beating the Headshrinkers for the tag team titles - before taking the world title from Backlund.
2008-2010 is a bit of a blur to me, to be honest. I know Nash returned (didn't he return at a later Rumble?). What happened?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 18:22:54 GMT -5
2008? I'm confused (easily enough when you have a small brain like mine). I was thinking of when he did it in 1994, beating Razor for the I-C Title, then, with Shawn, beating the Headshrinkers for the tag team titles - before taking the world title from Backlund. 2008-2010 is a bit of a blur to me, to be honest. I know Nash returned (didn't he return at a later Rumble?). What happened? I was wrong and I wasn't thinking ... sorry. My fault.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 18:27:32 GMT -5
No problem, my friend. I was just making sure my dates were right. It's an impressive achievement for Mr Nash. He was really on a roll in 1994. I loved how he eliminated so many at the Royal Rumble that year.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 23, 2019 18:43:20 GMT -5
1994. What was Vince thinking? Total failure as a draw as anything other than Michaels' stooge. He always made me wish that Backlund had snapped, for real, and stretched him; but, you can't have everything. I always found it odd that Vince made Nash his champion; but not Hall. Hall had the ability and was way more over than Nash. I chalk it up to the booze and pills; but, Michaels was a trainwreck, so why not Hall?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 19:04:18 GMT -5
After four Intercontinental Championship reigns, I would have liked to have seen Razor Ramon "graduate" to winning the WWF World Heavyweight Championship.
On an alternate Earth, I imagine a 1996 where Razor Ramon won the WWF World Heavyweight Championship - and defended it into 1997.
1996/1997 was an odd year in many respects. Well, maybe "odd" is the wrong word, but I'm thinking of the road not travelled. In mid-96, the Ultimate Warrior returned. During mid-96, Hall and Nash were in the WWF. Jake Roberts had returned earlier that year. Vader dominated at the 1996 Royal Rumble.
At that time, I envisioned the Ultimate Warrior going on to do great things. I envisioned Hall and Nash continuing to have feuds with top stars. I envisioned the same with Jake. And I envisioned the same for Vader, maybe even a world title reign.
But by the time 1996 ended, Warrior was long gone. Hall and Nash were in WCW. Jake's tenure had diminished. And Vader had been "neutered" in many respects, losing much momentum.
My point? The wrestling business can change so quickly.
You could apply it to any passage of time. I mean, Macho Man 'retires' at WM VII. A year later, he wins his second world title at WM VIII. At WM VII, Jake Roberts was more popular than ever, beating Rick Martel. A year later, he wrestled his last match (for a while) at WM VIII, being one of the most demonic heels of the time. Times can certainly change.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 22:40:00 GMT -5
1994 to 1998 ... My head was spinning trying to figure out the craziness of both WWF and WCW and like you said many times here and I'm puzzled why Razor Ramon never, ever got a chance for the WWF World Heavyweight Title.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 6:49:09 GMT -5
"The road not travelled..." is an interesting discussion pertaining to many aspects of wrestling. Things could have been quite different if certain things had occurred, e.g. Bret Hart joining WCW and becoming the third man in the nWo, Ultimate Warrior remaining with the WWF, Ted DiBiase becoming WWF Champion, etc. I did read that there was even discussion of giving El Matador a world title run in 1992!
Ramon never wrestled in the 30-Man Rumble. He appeared at the 1993, 1994, 1995 and 1996 events, but always on the undercard. I'd have loved to have seen him in the 30-Man Rumble - and then winning it before going on to challenge for the WWF World Heavyweight Championship. It'd have given me great joy to do that.
I often go down the "road not travelled..." thought process. I mean, I'm sorry Jake Roberts never got to feud with Ultimate Warrior. As you all know, Roberts betrayed Warrior in late 1991, forming an alliance with Undertaker. At the time, I think Roberts and Warrior would have had an interesting clash of styles. I don't think Roberts had ever quite faced anyone like Warrior, but I don't think Warrior had ever quite faced anyone like Roberts. I always envisioned a final match in their feud where Warrior survives the DDT and finishes off Jake with the Gorilla Press/Splash!
As a Hulkamaniac, the "road not travelled..." comes into play for me a lot. What if the WWF had booked a rematch between Hogan and Warrior? What if Hogan had defended the world title against Bret Hart at SummerSlam 1993? What if Hogan had stayed with the WWF in 1993, would we have seen him feud with the likes of Razor Ramon, Shawn Michaels, Giant Gonzalez, etc?
And what if the Montreal Screwjob had never occurred? Would the maniacal Mr. McMahon character have ever come about? Vince was commentating in 1997 and still playing the mild-mannered role. If the Montreal Screwjob had never occurred, would McMahon have simply remained in the background/commentated or would Mr. McMahon have come about in some form?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 1:02:56 GMT -5
A.J. Styles ... his reasons of quitting TNA Wrestling
This is really a slap of the face by TNA Management and Dixie Carter at the time of his contract being up and he decided to move to WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 10:20:11 GMT -5
My Top 5 Hated Wrestlers
1) Bob Backlund 2) Jeff Jarrett 3) Chris Jericho 4) Brock Lesnar 5) Triple H
They are all one EQUAL terms ...I just can't stand these guys at all.
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Post by The Captain on Nov 25, 2019 10:41:28 GMT -5
My Top 5 Hated Wrestlers1) Bob Backlund 2) Jeff Jarrett 3) Chris Jericho 4) Brock Lesnar 5) Triple H They are all one EQUAL terms ...I just can't stand these guys at all. What is it you "hate" about them? Is it their "character", as most of the names on your list are typically heels (Jericho flip-flops between face and heel, and HHH has been a face with some success, usually as part of D-X), or is it their workrate, promos, or all-around package? I'm just always interested in knowing why people feel strongly one way or the other about wrestlers. And for the record, two of the five on your list are in my Top Five most-liked wrestlers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 11:20:07 GMT -5
My Top 5 Hated Wrestlers1) Bob Backlund 2) Jeff Jarrett 3) Chris Jericho 4) Brock Lesnar 5) Triple H They are all one EQUAL terms ...I just can't stand these guys at all. What is it you "hate" about them? Is it their "character", as most of the names on your list are typically heels (Jericho flip-flops between face and heel, and HHH has been a face with some success, usually as part of D-X), or is it their workrate, promos, or all-around package? I'm just always interested in knowing why people feel strongly one way or the other about wrestlers. And for the record, two of the five on your list are in my Top Five most-liked wrestlers. Bob Backlund to me is one of the most annoying wrestler that I ever seen in my life and I literally hated his promos and way he presents himself and I just find his style not to my liking and all that and I just don't think he is main event material at all. Jeff Jarrett is a cheater and to me in his days of WCW ... he is one of those wrestler that brings in a guitar in the ring and making himself a fool; and I just can't stand his promos when he says "Double J" and all that. When he married Karen Angle ... so that his wife can call herself Karen Jarrett ... they became the most hated couple in all of professional wrestling. His promos and the way he presents himself is not to my liking. Chris Jericho annoys me and his promos are entertaining and that's pretty much it. He is star of AEW Dynamite and I just feel that I just had a hard time enjoying his wrestling ability and he's really a hard man to figure out and I just can't understand a man who is 49 years old and continues wrestling at his high level boggles my mind and just don't care for him whether he is a face or heel. Brock Lesnar is plain lazy and he goes back in forth between UFC and WWE and I just literally "hate" this guy to end Undertaker streak at Wrestlemania. Ever since he aligned with Paul Heyman ... he just show up the pay per views and stop doing house shows and that bothers me a lot. In my mind ... he is a total jerk. Triple H is hard to understand and I think that WWE decision on the part that Sting did not win Wrestlemania 31 is probably his EGO and do not want Sting to win it. I'm a huge STING fan and his win over him is purely on his huge EGO and I just hated his Authority Angle with his wife Stephanie and the last few years he literally made WWE unwatchable and I just can't stand the way he does things. I heard rumors that he might be fired next year and look like Stephanie might be only McMahon left to run WWE when Vince step down and I just feel that he is over-exerting himself trying to run things and NXT is not doing so well. I don't watch NXT because its doesn't appeal to me at all. This is my own personal judgment and I watched professional wrestling for more than 40 years and these five are the worst personalities that I ever seen in my own life.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 11:38:04 GMT -5
Never say never in wrestling (Bret Hart lasting one year in a 20-year-contract proved that), but I would be extremely surprised if Triple H got fired. He has become an important player in the WWF since his debut many years ago. Creatively and in the ring, he's an important "piece on the board". Unless he creates a plague that wipes out 99% of humanity, I can't imagine why the WWF would fire him.
As we all know, there are two kinds of hate in this sport. People (I spoke to) hated Hogan for his booking in WCW - and how Hulkamania overshadowed a lot since he debuted in 1994. That's a real-life hate based on booking/behind-the-scenes decisions. I don't hate anyone, but I dislike the fact that the Steiners were said to have pummelled people for real in the ring (didn't Rick Steiner do that against Konnan once?).
But then there's fictitious "hate", which can also apply. One can't really compare wrestling with movies as it is neither fish nor fowl, but I can try. I hate Thanos for doing what he did in Avengers: Infinity War. But I don't hate Josh Brolin for playing the role. So with wrestling, I "hated" Jake Roberts when he attacked Elizabeth at her own wedding, but I don't hate the man in real life. I "hated" Earthquake for sending wrestlers out on stretchers, but I don't hate John Tenta (who seemed very personable back when he interacted with fans on his forum, God rest his soul).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 12:56:15 GMT -5
Hate is a strong word ... I just don't care for these 5 wrestlers on equal grounds for what they worth to me as a professional wrestler should be. I just have a serious dislikes, problems with their personalities in the ring and outside the ring; and most importantly how they do their "promos" and the way they presents themselves and all that. I just wanted to clear that up now for your own sake and mine.
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