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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 11:38:12 GMT -5
Good point!
Bad characters can kill a wrestler's career (or delay it). Batista wrestled in the main event of WrestleMania 21, but 2-3 years prior to that, he was a deacon character on SmackDown. Had he remained in that role, and not been given the opportunity, who's to say he might not have been fired and "wished well with future endeavours" by the WWF? I had also read that Cena was about to be given his marching orders until Stephanie McMahon heard him rapping - and decided to leave behind the generic wrestler in trunks "gimmick" (not that it really was a gimmick).
I cared about the likes of Earthquake, and his feud with Hogan left me with great memories, but I didn't care about him as Golga in the Oddities.
Triple H is an interesting case study. It's amazing to think that he went from wrestling against Henry Godwinn in a Hog Pen Match to defending the world championship at various PPVs.
Some wrestlers can probably rise above the characters, but it's probably hard. Not sure Ric Flair as a Spartacus character would have worked. Others do. I barely noticed John Bradshaw Layfield when he was a beer-drinking poker player in the APA. At the Royal Rumble 2004, he was eliminated within about 40 seconds, but a year later, as JBL, he was defending the WWF Championship against Kurt Angle and the Big Show. How times change, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 12:01:41 GMT -5
Ric Flair as Spartacus Character would be worst decision in Ric's career as a Professional Wrestler ... no questions about it. I heard about a couple of times and literally do not want to share my views of it because it's so freaking laughable. You guys been talking about ECW in the posts that @taxidriver1980 & The Captain been sharing and to me in my opinions I felt during NWO days of WCW bored me to death and I prefer ECW over WWF and WCW combined. I must have seen you The Captain in matches in Beaver Falls on Television because I literally watched every ECW programming available including sharing expenses of ECW's pay per views too. To me, ECW rules. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 13:30:54 GMT -5
Watched some AWA bouts last night.
High Flyers vs. Nick Bockwinkel and Ray Stevens (23rd August, 1971)
Around ten minutes in length, this bout was a little too chaotic for me. Bockwinkel and Stevens continually cheated in front of the referee, making me wonder why the referee didn't disqualify them. Less can be more, and constant interference/rulebreaking loses its effect if done continually. Still, it was great to see Larry Hennig come in and deal with the heels. Solo commentary for this one, but no idea who is speaking as WWF DVDs don't always list that information.
Verne Gagne vs. Baron Von Raschke (13th July, 1974 for the AWA Championship)
It got a bit repetitive at times, heated though it was. Constant back and forth with no man really gaining an edge. House show footage, I believe. Both were solid - and the crowd were having a good time, but didn't flow well for me. No man really gained the upper hand at any point.
Pat Patterson & Ray Stevens vs. Billy Robinson & Frankie Hill (20th May, 1978)
2-out-of-3 falls. Quite a few spectacular moments, but like the first tag team match, too chaotic. I have no idea of the historical context of the AWA from that time (the few AWA bouts I saw were from the late 80s/early 90s), but the referees seem to be lacking authority and control in the tag matches watched so far.
Verne Gagne & Mad Dog Vachon vs. Jesse Ventura & Adrian Adonis for the AWA Tag Team Championship (22nd March, 1980)
Fairly solid, but too chaotic. Am I seeing a theme here? Like the first bout, a non-finish. Is there any point to the referees being here?
Who selected these matches?
I hope for better. There is a place for rule-breaking and doing things behind the referee's back. And that is what makes it effective. But in the first match, Stevens and Bockwinkel are blatantly breaking the rules constantly, receiving a rebuke from the referee each time. It kind of makes the referee redundant.
If anyone can provide any historical context, or has seen these matches, feel free to post.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 16:03:53 GMT -5
I can't help you there.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 8, 2019 22:27:04 GMT -5
ECW certainly filled a need back in the day, and it's no exaggeration to talk about how influential they were on the WWF and WCW. The WWF will engage in revisionist history at times. But the truth is that while ECW was soaring higher and higher, the WWF had the likes of T.L. Hopper, The Goon and Who? I'm not criticising the people who performed those roles, but the WWF was behind the curve circa 1994-1996. If not for competition from the likes of WCW and ECW, would we have even had Attitude? No doubt the competition from the other promotions drove WWF forward into the Attitude era. In the early 1990s, Vince was still in the "gimmicks sell" mindset, because it worked with JYD and The Mountie and Iron Sheikh and others in the 80s, but ECW focused on wrestling (and brawling, and lots of violence) and less on cartooney characters. Look at Triple H. He started out in WWF as Hunter Hearst Helmsley, a blue-blood snob who came to the ring in a robe and acted like a douchebag. Had he continued with that gimmick, he would have been Midcard for Life, but by allowing him to become HHH, he was closer to his true persona and it allowed him to worry less about his "character" and focus more on wrestling and story. Same with Edge and Christian. They debuted as minions of Gangrel, whom I'm sure Vince thought would be a huge star, but folks were over stupid gimmicks like "Goth vampire wannabe" by then. Getting E&C out from under that stifling association and letting them use their own natural charisma to get over, two stars (and arguably one superstar in Edge, before injuries led to an early retirement) were created. Those two had easy chemistry with each other, could work in the ring with almost anybody, and they were funny as hell on the mic. Well, Edge & Christian didn't start out with Gangrel; that came a little after their debut. Edge was actually their attempt at doing Raven, based on the video promos they did leading into his debut; but, the crowd didn't really get into it. They then put Edge & Christian in with Gangrel, for lack of any other idea. It was the series with the Hardy Boyz that got both teams over and Vince, Russo, Michael Hayes and the rest just let them be themselves. ECW had some gimmicks in the early days, which got tweaked. Raven was a gimmick. Scott Levy was not the disaffected social outcast, from a working class background. If memory serves, he was from a suburban, upper-middle class family, a college grad, who trained at the Monster Factory and went through numerous gimmicks: Scotty the Body, Scotty Anthony, Scotty Flamingo, Johnny Polo, etc. The Raven thing was based, partially, on Patrick Swayze, in Point Break, plus the grunge scene, plus Poe, and some other elements. Granted, it was a far more effective gimmick. However, ECW had silly gimmicks; the Dudleys, for example, or the Full Blooded Italians. Bubba Ray started out stuttering, before he is cutting hardcore promos. Taz started out as the Tazmaniac, a rip-off of the Looney Tunes characters.. It git refined down to Taz, then turned into a pseudo-MMA thing (which didn't work so well when he got the the WWE and was a foot shorter than even the mid-card guys). Some of that was before Heyman assumed full control and some was after; but, Heyman was at least able to key on the stuff that clicked with their fanbase and hide the bad stuff (mostly). The difference was in their audience. Heyman definitely was targeting an older 20-30 something crowd, male, who read the wrestling sheets, listened to grunge and metal and punk and focused in on cultural touchstones. He had a good eye for talent and accentuated what worked and hid what didn't. Similar to what Cornette was doing in Smokey Mountain, but in a more old school territorial fashion. Heyman was mixing FMW garbage matches, strong style Japanese and lucha matches, Memphis brawls, NWA promos and a whole anti-authoritarian, punk attitude. Thing was, he also had problems hanging on to talent. He also made a buck off of it as Vince was paying him a salary to offset the guys he was poaching, vs WCW (who were being tipped about guys by Tod Gordon). ECW definitely inspired the Attitude stuff, though Russo was also obsessed with Jerry Springer. The worst excesses of it were Russo & Ferrara; but Vince and some others knew what would work in their environment and what wouldn't. ECW was never going to be a truly national promotion because too much of what they offered turned off chunks of the audience. They were always going to be a niche promotion; but, an innovative one. Like Punk, it couldn't sustain itself. WCW, trying to copy it was pathetic. Really, the only successful borrowing of anything from ECW was the cruiserweights, with guys like Eddie Guerrero, Dean Malenko, and Chris Jericho, who had been showcased by Heyman, as well as Rey Mysterio, Psicosis and Juventud Guerrera, who had also done shows there (and had an in, with Konnan, as well as Japanese exposure). That, and some of DDP's character borrowed from the ECW style, with the exiting through the crowd and celebrating with them and things like that. When they actually poached ECW guys, they screwed it up and watered it down (Hack? Mike Awesome? Public Enemy?) Raven got over, though as a watered down version of Raven, with a ton of interference. He worked well with DDP, and the Flock had moments, but was never as good as Blue Meanie, Nova and Stevie Richards. I didn't get to see ECW until they debuted on TNN (before it became Spike), but had kept up, via the Observer. A lot of the talent had migrated, by that point; but, there was still some good stuff. I never cared for the garbage stuff; but, they had some really good stuff throughout their shows for an old school fan. It was way more palatable than the more pure garbage wrestling promotions, like Jersey Pro, CZW, XPW, and the original Japanese groups, like FMW, IWA, Big Japan and W*ING. I picked up one or two of those FMW tapes that one of the anime distributors was releasing, to watch Hayabusa and Mike Awesome; but, aside from them, Masato Tanaka, Megumi Kudo and Combat Toyoda, there was nothing worth watching. There were plenty of good alternatives to the WWF gimmick era and the WCW trainwreck, if you knew where to look, with ECW, Smokey Mountain, UWFI/Rings/Pancrase/Battle Arts, New Japan, All Japan, AAA, WAR, Arsion, All Japan Women. You just needed to find tape traders to watch some of it. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 8, 2019 23:24:21 GMT -5
Watched some AWA bouts last night. High Flyers vs. Nick Bockwinkel and Ray Stevens (23rd August, 1971)Around ten minutes in length, this bout was a little too chaotic for me. Bockwinkel and Stevens continually cheated in front of the referee, making me wonder why the referee didn't disqualify them. Less can be more, and constant interference/rulebreaking loses its effect if done continually. Still, it was great to see Larry Hennig come in and deal with the heels. Solo commentary for this one, but no idea who is speaking as WWF DVDs don't always list that information. Verne Gagne vs. Baron Von Raschke (13th July, 1974 for the AWA Championship)It got a bit repetitive at times, heated though it was. Constant back and forth with no man really gaining an edge. House show footage, I believe. Both were solid - and the crowd were having a good time, but didn't flow well for me. No man really gained the upper hand at any point. Pat Patterson & Ray Stevens vs. Billy Robinson & Frankie Hill (20th May, 1978)2-out-of-3 falls. Quite a few spectacular moments, but like the first tag team match, too chaotic. I have no idea of the historical context of the AWA from that time (the few AWA bouts I saw were from the late 80s/early 90s), but the referees seem to be lacking authority and control in the tag matches watched so far. Verne Gagne & Mad Dog Vachon vs. Jesse Ventura & Adrian Adonis for the AWA Tag Team Championship (22nd March, 1980)Fairly solid, but too chaotic. Am I seeing a theme here? Like the first bout, a non-finish. Is there any point to the referees being here? Who selected these matches? I hope for better. There is a place for rule-breaking and doing things behind the referee's back. And that is what makes it effective. But in the first match, Stevens and Bockwinkel are blatantly breaking the rules constantly, receiving a rebuke from the referee each time. It kind of makes the referee redundant. If anyone can provide any historical context, or has seen these matches, feel free to post. I'm not strong on AWA year-to-year history. I assume this was on the network? Who or why they were picked is probably related to whoever was in the match, as the WWE dvd releases on other promotions could be a bit odd with match selection, beyond the big historical ones. If it was house show footage, than the point of the match was to continue to feud until the blowoff, which would be a gimmick match. Can't speak for the referees. I saw the AWA from the mid-80s on and missed them in the 70s and early 80s. Long time announcer was Rodger Kent, with Marty O'Neil, a Minneapolis-St Paul tv personality doing ring introductions and interviews. Gene Orkerlund took over from O'Neil and Rod Trongard started announcing a lot of the AWA, in the 80s, though Kent was there through the early 80s, at least. Post-WWF talent raid, Ken Reznik was doing interviews, Lee Marshall, Larry Nelson and Eric Bischoof were all announcers/interviewers during the ESPN days. Are you certain about the date on the first match? Both Greg Gagne and Jim Brunzell didn't start wrestling until 1972 and the High Flyers didn't debut as a tag-team until the mid-70s, winning their first tag title in 1977. 1981 sounds possible, as Bockwinkel and Stevens were a team during that period. If so, then the announcing is probably Rodger Kent, maybe Rod Trongard. Verne used to do commentary, as did Lord James Blears, in the 80s. The High Flyers had a long series against Bockwinkel & Stevens. Wrestlers usually heeled a bit, in front of the ref, but broke it up before the 5-count. I'd have to see the footage. Some refs were better than others about working matches. The AWA worked a lot of commission states and some, like Illinois (for their Chicago matches) mandated commission referees. So, chaos is a relative term. The ref only disqualified if that was the intended finish and that was usually to further the angle until the blowoff, in some kind of stipulation match. Gagne and Raschke were both collegiate wrestlers and liked to work a mat-based style, with the right opponent. Gagne loved shooters and used a bunch, like Raschke, Mad Dog Vachon, Bockwinkel, Billy Robinson, Brad Rheingans, Bill Miller, Destroyer/Dr X/Dick Beyer and some others. Sounds like a mid-feud match, rather than the end of a program. Feuds were usually started on tv, played on house shows, furthered on tv, then they went around the circuit with the blowoff, with cage matches or some such in every town. They even did title changes in multiple towns. Sounds like they were probably doing a wrestling showcase to keep both strong. Patterson & Stevens were two of the best workers in the business, in the 70s and drew tons of money in San Francisco, as opponents. They would be the workers in this, doing the big bumps and heeling. Robinson was an old school English shooter, trained in Billy Riley's Snake Pit, in Wiggan, a training ground for legit catch/submission wrestling. He was kind of bland, which is why he was never the champion in the AWA. Crowds liked him, to a certain extent; but, by himself, he wasn't a big draw. He often had his British Empire title to defend (I believe it was a Winnipeg-based championship, for the AWA show there). Frankie Hill, also known as Frank Hill, was a mid-carder. That specific match was from a tv taping, which would mean it was meant to carry on a feud, as tv was never the end of an angle; only the start or the continuation. TV was designed to get you to buy tickets to the matches in the area. Hill later became Jules Strongbow, in a tag-team with Chief Jay Strongbow (Joe Scarpa), in the WWF. There had also been another Jules Strongbow, a wrestler and promoter in California, who appeared once on Groucho Marx's You Bet Your Life tv show, in the 50s. Adonis & Ventura were a hot heel tag team, as the East-West Connection (Ventura from "California," despite being a Minnesota boy, and Adonis from New York). The time frame is in the middle of a feud for the AWA tag titles, with Gagne & Vachon. Looking at results from the time, I don't see a March 22 date, but they had matches in Denver and Winnipeg on the 16th and 20th of March. Adonis & Ventura would finally win the titles in July, in Denver, so this would have been a mid-feud bout. What you do have in those matches are some of the AWA mainstays of the 70s and early 80s: Verne Gagne, Baron Von Raschke, Mad Dog Vachon, Nick Bockwinkel, Ray Stevens, Pat Patterson, Greg Gagne, Jim Brunzell, Jesse Venture, Adrian Adonis and Billy Robinson. About the only one missing is Sheik Adnan al Kaissie and Bobby the Brain Heenan (by the later 70s, as he was in the WWA, in Indianapolis, until about the mid-70s). See, I lived in a bad location, for wrestling, until the 80s. Central Illinois was mostly off the beaten path for the promotions in the region. Verne Gagne, Dick the Bruiser and Wilbur Snyder promoted Chicago, with a mix of AWA and WWA talent, with Chicago shows hosted by Bob Luce (look up the guy on Youtube), which is what Billy Corgan grew up with. We briefly got the Chicago show, on our local tv, for a few weeks, for some reason; but, I don't believe they did any shows in the area. Then, in the early 80s, we got the WWA show, as they were promoting shows in Springfield. However, it didn't last long and we started getting the Poffo ICW show and they promoted regular shows in Decatur and Springfield, which were on either side of the town where I grew up. My grandparents, who lived in Bloomington, got their tv from Peoria, which had the WWA show, which my grandfather used to watch, off and on. The AWA would come down to Rockford, but rarely further down and the WWA didn't venture much into Central Illinois. With cable came access to things like the WWF, AWA, Georgia Championship Wrestling and World Class. Chicago at least got the AWA and WWA and Bob Luce mixture. Bobby Heenan and Jim Cornette talking about Chicago and Bob Luce... This is post throat cancer for Bobby, which is why he has the lisp. At least he could still talk. It was heartbreaking to see him after he lost his ability to speak. Here's one of Luce's commercials, with Moose Cholak, for Al's Chicago Italian Beef... Luce and the wrestlers did spots for all of the show's sponsors, from liquor stores to auto dealerships. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 8, 2019 23:34:14 GMT -5
PS Billy Corgan now owns Bob Luce's wrestling archives, which has pictures of the big stars going way back. He's trying to figure out the best way to make it available with the NWA content.
Wrestlingdata.com is a good source to see where people worked and who they had matches with, which can give you some context for what was going in in the promotion.
Both the Kayfabe Memories message board and the Wrestling Classics message boards had AWA historians and have search functions that let you look for topics like that, though you may run into a lot of hits, for the AWA, since it was one of the 3 top territories/promotions.
Wikipedia isn't bad for a basic framework of wrestler careers and promotion history (more the bigger promotions than some of the smaller territories).
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 8, 2019 23:55:44 GMT -5
Here's Roger Kent, interviewing Da Crusher...
And for an added bonus...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 0:07:21 GMT -5
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 9, 2019 1:38:30 GMT -5
If you have interest in the NWA and Powerrr, you might try the This is the NWA podcast...
I've listed to the nearly 2 1/2 hour Nick Aldis interview and the Dave Lagana interview. Both are very illuminating in relation to the vision for the NWA, how they partnered with people, why those partnerships ended, people who came courting, people who didn't, why Nick Aldis is in the NWA and not AEW or WWE, how they are marketing, what kind of presentation they want to give the fans and where they are breaking from traditional models, while paying tribute to the legacy of the NWA. They also seem to be very supportive of these guys and you can see clips in the first Powerrr show, as these guys were early fans, with Ten Pounds of Gold. I especially like Nick Aldis' talk of using fight promotion like HBO and Showtime do for boxing and the UFC et al for MMA. If you look at All In, Cody Rhodes was on a similar page and they did a press conference, a weigh in/showdown and similar. It really gave that match some atmosphere, like a big prize fight, in boxing. Their entrances had an entourage (DDP, Cody's father-in-law, his dog, his wife; Aldis with Jeff Jarrett, Shaun Daviri, ex-champion Tim Storm) . I really think that kind of thing could really draw in people who aren't watching current wrestling, as long as they do it straight and sincerely.
Just look at how the NWA handled their side of All In...
Change this into the current top heavyweight boxers, champ and contender and change the logo to HBO and there is no difference.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 5:09:03 GMT -5
The matches I posted about aren't on the WWF Network, but on The Spectacular Legacy of the AWA DVD. As for the date of the first match, that's what's shown on the paper insert inside the DVD, and on the disc, but I suppose the WWF could have got that wrong. Thanks for the context/info, anyway!
I did watch Nick Bockwinkel vs Hulk Hogan (Bockwinkel defending the AWA Championship) from April 1982 last night. These matches are incomplete, so I can't judge the whole match. The crowd went WILD - and I mean WILD - after Hogan won the title when Heenan's interference backfired. However, text revealed that the decision was reversed two days later. You scoundrels, Heenan and Bockwinkel.
Prior to DVDs/Blu-rays and the WWF Network, I only ever saw Bockwinkel as the WCW Commissioner. I knew he'd wrestled, but seeing these matches is golden!
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 9, 2019 8:03:26 GMT -5
The matches I posted about aren't on the WWF Network, but on The Spectacular Legacy of the AWA DVD. As for the date of the first match, that's what's shown on the paper insert inside the DVD, and on the disc, but I suppose the WWF could have got that wrong. Thanks for the context/info, anyway! I did watch Nick Bockwinkel vs Hulk Hogan (Bockwinkel defending the AWA Championship) from April 1982 last night. These matches are incomplete, so I can't judge the whole match. The crowd went WILD - and I mean WILD - after Hogan won the title when Heenan's interference backfired. However, text revealed that the decision was reversed two days later. You scoundrels, Heenan and Bockwinkel. Prior to DVDs/Blu-rays and the WWF Network, I only ever saw Bockwinkel as the WCW Commissioner. I knew he'd wrestled, but seeing these matches is golden! House shows were only filmed for really big events and shown as clips on tv, which is why the footage is just highlights. You almost never got a full arena match; if you could, then why buy tickets? The footage they used on those DVD sets was usually chosen to highlight people mentioned in the documentary section and based on the quality of footage. Master tapes were often wiped and reused; so, you don't have as much footage before the 80s, when VHS became common and there was a market for the footage, beyond promoting new angles on tv. A lot of AWA fans criticized that set as not showcasing the best matches; same with the World Class and Mid-South sets. They were very haphazardly collected and done more with the WWE's agenda, then catering to the AWA audience. The AWA was a very traditional, sports-based presentation, with bigger stars and big cities. A lot of guys got their start there or made a big name there. Many homesteaded, as the payoff vs travel schedule was better than many territories. Pretty certain that date for the High Flyers vs Bockwinkel and Stevens is later; probably somewhere between 1975 and 77. That set doesn't begin to show how good Bockwinkel was. He was smooth as silk and looked and carried himself like a champion. He and Flair are the best templates for a heel champion, while Verne was the quintessential athletic hero. Any time the media wanted to poo-poo wrestling, all he had to do was trot out his amateur credentials and his work with fundraising, for amateu wrestling programs. Olympians Chris Taylor, Jeff Blatnick and Brad Rheingans all wrestled or appeared for him. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 15:12:50 GMT -5
I am beginning to question the wisdom of the person who compiled the matches on this set. I understand, as Cody has pointed out, incomplete footage, etc. But still...
I mean, so far, there have been many non-finishes. And there was four minutes' footage of Hulk Hogan vs. Mr. Saito and Mr. Hatori (28th August 1983). Another DQ finish.
I wonder, did the compiler just find matches that featured wrestlers who would be familiar to WWF fans? WWF fans, then and now, would have known who the likes of Hulk Hogan and Jesse Ventura were. I just am beginning to think they didn't find the best they could. You know I am a Hulkamaniac, but 4 minutes of footage from 1983, resulting in a DQ, is not for me. It feels like someone said, "Find some historical footage, particularly featuring Verne Gagne, but pad out the rest of the 2nd disc with matches featuring stars whom WWF fans know."
Still, good to see prototype Hogan. The interview he had after that 1983 match was no different from what I saw in the WWF. So it seems Hogan arrived in the WWF fully-formed.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 9, 2019 20:53:55 GMT -5
I am beginning to question the wisdom of the person who compiled the matches on this set. I understand, as Cody has pointed out, incomplete footage, etc. But still... I mean, so far, there have been many non-finishes. And there was four minutes' footage of Hulk Hogan vs. Mr. Saito and Mr. Hatori (28th August 1983). Another DQ finish. I wonder, did the compiler just find matches that featured wrestlers who would be familiar to WWF fans? WWF fans, then and now, would have known who the likes of Hulk Hogan and Jesse Ventura were. I just am beginning to think they didn't find the best they could. You know I am a Hulkamaniac, but 4 minutes of footage from 1983, resulting in a DQ, is not for me. It feels like someone said, "Find some historical footage, particularly featuring Verne Gagne, but pad out the rest of the 2nd disc with matches featuring stars whom WWF fans know." Still, good to see prototype Hogan. The interview he had after that 1983 match was no different from what I saw in the WWF. So it seems Hogan arrived in the WWF fully-formed. DQ finishes were common through the 60s, 70s and 80s. It kept the feud going, while allowing for some wild action. It depended on the promotion; but, clean finishes were rare, apart from the blowoff and title changes. Verne used it a lot, to keep people looking strong. They did it repeatedly, with Hogan, because Verne wouldn't put the title on him unless he got a cut of his Japan money and merchandise and Hogan said no and went and talked to Vince. He also wasn't happy that Hogan was working with Inoki, when they had a relationship with Baba (which is why Jumbo Tsuruta won the title, before dropping it to Martel). He allegedly had talks with Masked Superstar, Bill Eadie (aka Demolition Axe) about coming in and winning the title and tried to make Japan demands and Eadie turned him down. Hansen left in a dispute over how he was being used and because he had promised Baba a tour, with the belt being put up against All Japan guys. Verne was messing with that and Hansen was always loyal to Baba, because he treated him well and he made more money with him. Verne jerked him around and regretted it. Then, he had a little accident with the belt... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 21:08:52 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with DQ finishes per se, but I do have a problem with a DVD compilation consisting of non-finishes so far.
One Coliseum Video tape I remember is Wrestlefest 1990. There are 8 matches on that tape. 4 of them feature a DQ, 2 of them feature a count-out. When compiling tapes/DVDs/Blu-rays, I would prefer the majority of the matches to feature a conclusive finish.
Same with a PPV. I wouldn't want to watch an 8-match PPV with 6 non-finishes. So while it's perfectly fine for DQs and count-outs to exist (for the reasons Cody has stated), I feel a little more thought could have been put into the AWA compilation. In succession, it gets a little tedious hearing the bell ring due to a DQ or count-out.
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