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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 21:11:14 GMT -5
On the positive side, I am enjoying the credible one-man commentary for the matches so far.
I grew up watching two-man commentary teams. It was quite the revelation to see Joey Styles doing solo commentary in ECW. So it's nice, as I work my way through the AWA disc, to learn that one-man commentary duties predate Joey Styles.
I like the two-man play-by-play/colour commentator dynamic. I do like the humour, e.g. Johnny Polo/Gorilla Monsoon and Monsoon/Heenan. I like the babyface/heel dynamic, e.g. Vince McMahon/Jesse Ventura. But I am surprised by how much I am enjoying solo commentary in these AWA matches.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 9, 2019 22:52:23 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with DQ finishes per se, but I do have a problem with a DVD compilation consisting of non-finishes so far. One Coliseum Video tape I remember is Wrestlefest 1990. There are 8 matches on that tape. 4 of them feature a DQ, 2 of them feature a count-out. When compiling tapes/DVDs/Blu-rays, I would prefer the majority of the matches to feature a conclusive finish. Same with a PPV. I wouldn't want to watch an 8-match PPV with 6 non-finishes. So while it's perfectly fine for DQs and count-outs to exist (for the reasons Cody has stated), I feel a little more thought could have been put into the AWA compilation. In succession, it gets a little tedious hearing the bell ring due to a DQ or count-out. Well, in a lot of ways, I think these territory sets were a teaser for the Network. He did the AWA, World Class and Mid-South and there was a ton of great footage from all. He barely scratched the surface, especially Mid-South. Mid-South, from about 1982-85 had some of the best booking in the business. There was so much great stuff, from JYD, at his peak, to Hacksaw Dugan's face turn and battles against Dibiase and the Rat Pack, the dawn of the Rock N Roll Express vs the Midnight Express, Volkoff and Darsow, Mr Wrestling II & Magnum TA, Murdoch and DiBiase Steve Williams coming in, Terry Taylor beating Dibiase for the North American title then facing Flair; so much great stuff AWA had so much Heenan, Bockwinkel and Stevens stuff, The Texas Outlaws (Rhodes & Murdoch) the Blackjacks, bruiser & Crusher, High Flyers, the ESPN years, Curt Hennig coming into his own, Scott Hall's rookie days, the Road Warriors, early Leon "Vader" White (though Vince never seemed to like Vader). One thing the dvd set really failed to capture was the international flavor of the AWA. They promoted Winnipeg regularly, which brought in a lot of Canadian talent, worked with All Japan and highlighted their guys, worked with Otto Wanz and cross promote with Catch Wrestling, etc. In the 80s, they had a succession of international Champions: Otto Wanz won it, then Bockwinkel regained, dropped it to Jumbo Tsuruta, who dropped it to Rick Martel, who dropped it to Hansen, who vacated the title and it went back to Bockwinkel. Later, Masa Saito won it; Mad Vachon had held it. That and the serious sports presentation helped make the AWA feel like a legit wrestling league, not just a company promotion. The NWA was a true league, with various territories and the AWA covered a wide region, plus Canada and the belt was defended in Japan, etc, while the WWF was the northeast, until 1984. Madison Square Garden, and the Philadelphia Spectrum and the Boston Gardens made the WWF important; but, it wasn't that big of a territory; it just had big population centers. The AWA was similar; but, theirs were spread out. In the 70s and 80s, the NWA and AWA were like the National and American Leagues, in Baseball. That's where, if they could have put egos aside, they could have crushe Vince. They had the talent and the early Pro Wrestling USA cards were loaded nd you had the AWA and NWA titles defended. They could have done title vs title matches and World series tournaments and drawn huge; but, no one trusted anyone else and it quickly fell apart and Pro Wrestling USA became just another AWA syndicated show, like All Star Wrestling; and, later, the AWA on ESPN. Verne's problem was that his stars of the late 60s were mostly his stars of the 70s and the 80s, with a few younger guys (the High Flyers, Adonis & Ventura, in the 70s, the Road Warriors, Curt Hennig and Scott Hall, in the 80s). The other promotions brought in new blood, to mix with the old and created new stars. The NWA wasn't still having the Funks vs Briscos and Gene Kiniski, and Pat O'Connor, etc. Harley was still in the mix and the Funks and briscos were still top draws; but, you also had Flair & Steamboat, Tommy Rich, Barry Windham, Lex Luger, Sting, Paul Orndorff, Masked Superstar, the Von Erichs, the Freebirds, the Rock N Roll Express, the Midnight Express, the Fantastics, etc, etc. You had the Horsemen, the Russians, Wahoo, Kevin Sullivan's army. They were vital. Verne's promotion just got old and the young guys didn't get their due until it was too late. By the time they elevated Curt Hennig, he was off to the WWF. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 9, 2019 23:05:47 GMT -5
On the positive side, I am enjoying the credible one-man commentary for the matches so far. I grew up watching two-man commentary teams. It was quite the revelation to see Joey Styles doing solo commentary in ECW. So it's nice, as I work my way through the AWA disc, to learn that one-man commentary duties predate Joey Styles. I like the two-man play-by-play/colour commentator dynamic. I do like the humour, e.g. Johnny Polo/Gorilla Monsoon and Monsoon/Heenan. I like the babyface/heel dynamic, e.g. Vince McMahon/Jesse Ventura. But I am surprised by how much I am enjoying solo commentary in these AWA matches. Most promotions had single commentators, with the odd color guy. Memphis was (almost) always Lance Russell and Dave Brown; but, Gordon Solie called Florida and Georgia, Bill Mercer called World Class, Sam Menacker was the WWA (then David McLane), Ed Whalen was Stampede's voice, etc. Georgia kind of originated the regular heel commentator, with Piper, until ole fired him and he went full time with Crockett. Mid-South was Bill Watts and Boyd Pierce and Watts and Jim Ross, Mid-Atlantic was Bob Caudle, with David Crockett insinuating himself later. WWF was Gorilla Monsoon and Vince McMahon, then Jesse entered the picture, imitating Piper & Gordon Solie, after his blood clot issues (by product of the steroids). Rodger Kent often called the action with Verne, after he retired and Rod Trongard and Larry Nelson worked with James Blears, Verne, and Lee Marshall. Two-man teams became the norm in the later mid to late 80s, after mostly solos or a few limited duos. The Poffo ICW had Tim Tyler, who was the local tv guy and Edgar Wallace, who was a Lexington politician, who helped get them into Rupp Arena and elsewhere and was a mark. otherwise, he didn't add much to the show. Tyler was a good sports play-by-play guy. They tried different guys as color men; but, it rarely worked well. Lanny and Weingeroff were too bland, Garvin mostly furthered angles and had that Quebec accent, Pez Whatley played heel but wasn't that entertaining doing commentary. Pez was capable of good promos but wasn't great at off the cuff stuff, for commentary. You needed a Piper or Heenan or Ventura with the quick comebacks, the humorous insults and such. Lance and Dave were kind of the voices of reason in the insane asylum, in Memphis. Here's Fabulous Kangaroo Al Costello having a bit of fun with ol' Lance... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 23:10:49 GMT -5
Kangaroo Al Costello and Jesse "The Body" Ventura ... along with Joey Styles of ECW, Gordie Solie, Gorilla Monsoon, and Heenan were my favorites.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 9, 2019 23:14:26 GMT -5
For a bit of fun, see if you can spot The Mouth of the South, Jimmy Hart, in his earlier gig, with the Gentrys...
also, find John Mellencamp's old high school buddy, from Seymour, In, Mike Sciarra, aka Hustler Rip Rogers...
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 9, 2019 23:25:08 GMT -5
And, the greatest wrestling song, ever!
That is Southern 'Rasslin'!!
(ps. The song pre-dates Joanie Laurer becoming Chyna; but, the video was done much later.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 7:56:43 GMT -5
Last night's match was the Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels ladder match (21st July, 1992). I first saw this on Coliseum Video's Smack 'Em, Whack 'Em. That Coliseum Video release is on the WWF Network, so I skipped ahead to that match last night.
It's solid.
Viewed through historical lens, it lacks the spots and "Wow!" moments that later ladder matches featured, but that is not a criticism. Bret and Shawn tell a believable story, building up to them acquiring the ladder and using it to try and grasp the Intercontinental Championship. Both men performed very well.
I do feel it is important to judge things by the standards of the era. And in isolation. Neither man would have wrestled this bout with the mindset of, 'Oh, well later years will see high spots and moments of outrage.' No, they wrestled that match. They may not have thought there'd ever be another one, certainly not on WWF soil. For that, I commend them.
We've discussed the importance of commentary. Here, Gorilla Monsoon and Lord Alfred Hayes performed duties (hmm, Mr Hayes, I have no record of you legislating in the House of Lords). Both men convey the danger of this match. At the time, and this was (I think) the first WWF ladder match, it did seem like a dangerous prospect, a career-shortening one. Monsoon and 'his Lordship' did a good job of selling this match. I salute them both.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 10, 2019 9:50:08 GMT -5
Last night's match was the Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels ladder match (21st July, 1992). I first saw this on Coliseum Video's Smack 'Em, Whack 'Em. That Coliseum Video release is on the WWF Network, so I skipped ahead to that match last night. It's solid. Viewed through historical lens, it lacks the spots and "Wow!" moments that later ladder matches featured, but that is not a criticism. Bret and Shawn tell a believable story, building up to them acquiring the ladder and using it to try and grasp the Intercontinental Championship. Both men performed very well. I do feel it is important to judge things by the standards of the era. And in isolation. Neither man would have wrestled this bout with the mindset of, 'Oh, well later years will see high spots and moments of outrage.' No, they wrestled that match. They may not have thought there'd ever be another one, certainly not on WWF soil. For that, I commend them. We've discussed the importance of commentary. Here, Gorilla Monsoon and Lord Alfred Hayes performed duties (hmm, Mr Hayes, I have no record of you legislating in the House of Lords). Both men convey the danger of this match. At the time, and this was (I think) the first WWF ladder match, it did seem like a dangerous prospect, a career-shortening one. Monsoon and 'his Lordship' did a good job of selling this match. I salute them both. According to interviews he gave, outside of wrestling, Alfred Hayes' family had a legit "Lord of the Manor" title, though not an actual peerage. So, he would claim that, technically, he was a "lord." He had been "Judo" Al Hayes, when he worked in the UK and first came over to the States, then started wrestling as Lord Alfred Hayes. Before the exapansion of the WWF, he had worked for the AWA as a heel manager, at one point managing the Super Destroyers, one of whom was Sgt Slaughter. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 10:02:40 GMT -5
Lord Alfred Hayes and Sean Mooney are two commentators that I think deserve more respect.
True, I understand why everyone, myself included, praises the Monsoon/Heenan and McMahon/Ventura combinations. But Hayes and Mooney did some stellar commentary on various Coliseum Video releases. As I've stated so many times, treating wrestling legitimately is an important part of the commentary. I believe that the most credible commentator can bring legitimacy even to a bout involving, say, the Colossal Kongs VS Doink & Dink.
What really works for me is when commentators a) treat wrestling as a legitimate sport, and b) talk about the match as if it is not predetermined.
Example: Zeus strangling Hulk Hogan (Survivor Series 1989). With complete conviction, Ventura says, "Hogan could be the first one eliminated!" You believed it because Ventura believed it.
Or Monsoon/Hayes in the aforementioned Bret/Shawn ladder match. As the bout was about to start, Monsoon talked about how this could be Bret's last time as Intercontinental Champion. And how Shawn could win the belt. Wrestling may be dismissed as fake by many, but there's no reason why commentators can't treat it as a legitimate sport.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 11:53:49 GMT -5
Lord Alfred Hayes and Sean Mooney are two commentators that I think deserve more respect. I totally forgot about these two ... these two are amazing together. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 13:35:17 GMT -5
So, any thoughts on WCW World War 3? Running from 1995 to 1998, the PPV featured a three-ring, sixty-man battle royal. At the first event, the winner won the vacant WCW World Heavyweight Championship; in 1996, 1997 and 1998, the winner received a shot at the WCW World Heavyweight Championship.
This was obviously WCW's "response" to the Royal Rumble.
For me, it was too unwieldy. For starters, three rings and sixty men is overkill. I think a two-ring, forty-men battle royal would have been better. Not only does that make it unique compared with the Royal Rumble, but it'd have been easier on the eyes. Keeping track of sixty men in three rings is cumbersome. And, quite frankly, suspension of disbelief aside, did any wrestling fan in the universe ever believe the majority of the sixty men had a chance of winning the bout?
True, the same can be said of the Royal Rumble. In 1992, when the WWF Championship was on the line, I doubt anyone believed Repo Man, Hercules or Skinner were walking away with it, but at the time, there was much speculation (among my friends) about who would win. Could it be Hulk Hogan? Undertaker? Roddy Piper? Maybe the Macho Man? Ric Flair? In a 30-man Rumble, there are probably going to be fewer than 7-9 people who could believably win it.
With World War 3, it was less likely. Out of the 60 combatants in the bout, only 3-4 were ever gonna have a chance of winning it during Hogan's era. Out of the 60 at the first event, did anyone really believe the likes of the Yeti, Alex Wright and so many, many others were in with a shot? Given Hogan's creative control at the time, the obvious winners were only ever gonna be Hogan, Giant, Savage, Sting or Luger. Plus, a two-ring forty-man battle royal would be easier on the eye.
I respect WCW for coming up with the concept. For legal reasons, they could not have had their own 30-man, enter-the-ring-every-2-minutes bout (I presume the WWF has that locked down/trademarked), but 60 guys in three rings was too much.
The event didn't air after 1998, being replaced by Mayhem in 1999.
And despite the WWF owning WCW's brand/matches/characters, even they haven't tried to resurrect the concept!
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Post by wickedmountain on Nov 10, 2019 14:16:54 GMT -5
No doubt the competition from the other promotions drove WWF forward into the Attitude era. In the early 1990s, Vince was still in the "gimmicks sell" mindset, because it worked with JYD and The Mountie and Iron Sheikh and others in the 80s, but ECW focused on wrestling (and brawling, and lots of violence) and less on cartooney characters. Look at Triple H. He started out in WWF as Hunter Hearst Helmsley, a blue-blood snob who came to the ring in a robe and acted like a douchebag. Had he continued with that gimmick, he would have been Midcard for Life, but by allowing him to become HHH, he was closer to his true persona and it allowed him to worry less about his "character" and focus more on wrestling and story. Same with Edge and Christian. They debuted as minions of Gangrel, whom I'm sure Vince thought would be a huge star, but folks were over stupid gimmicks like "Goth vampire wannabe" by then. Getting E&C out from under that stifling association and letting them use their own natural charisma to get over, two stars (and arguably one superstar in Edge, before injuries led to an early retirement) were created. Those two had easy chemistry with each other, could work in the ring with almost anybody, and they were funny as hell on the mic. Well, Edge & Christian didn't start out with Gangrel; that came a little after their debut. Edge was actually their attempt at doing Raven, based on the video promos they did leading into his debut; but, the crowd didn't really get into it. They then put Edge & Christian in with Gangrel, for lack of any other idea. It was the series with the Hardy Boyz that got both teams over and Vince, Russo, Michael Hayes and the rest just let them be themselves. ECW had some gimmicks in the early days, which got tweaked. Raven was a gimmick. Scott Levy was not the disaffected social outcast, from a working class background. If memory serves, he was from a suburban, upper-middle class family, a college grad, who trained at the Monster Factory and went through numerous gimmicks: Scotty the Body, Scotty Anthony, Scotty Flamingo, Johnny Polo, etc. The Raven thing was based, partially, on Patrick Swayze, in Point Break, plus the grunge scene, plus Poe, and some other elements. Granted, it was a far more effective gimmick. However, ECW had silly gimmicks; the Dudleys, for example, or the Full Blooded Italians. Bubba Ray started out stuttering, before he is cutting hardcore promos. Taz started out as the Tazmaniac, a rip-off of the Looney Tunes characters.. It git refined down to Taz, then turned into a pseudo-MMA thing (which didn't work so well when he got the the WWE and was a foot shorter than even the mid-card guys). Some of that was before Heyman assumed full control and some was after; but, Heyman was at least able to key on the stuff that clicked with their fanbase and hide the bad stuff (mostly). The difference was in their audience. Heyman definitely was targeting an older 20-30 something crowd, male, who read the wrestling sheets, listened to grunge and metal and punk and focused in on cultural touchstones. He had a good eye for talent and accentuated what worked and hid what didn't. Similar to what Cornette was doing in Smokey Mountain, but in a more old school territorial fashion. Heyman was mixing FMW garbage matches, strong style Japanese and lucha matches, Memphis brawls, NWA promos and a whole anti-authoritarian, punk attitude. Thing was, he also had problems hanging on to talent. He also made a buck off of it as Vince was paying him a salary to offset the guys he was poaching, vs WCW (who were being tipped about guys by Tod Gordon). ECW definitely inspired the Attitude stuff, though Russo was also obsessed with Jerry Springer. The worst excesses of it were Russo & Ferrara; but Vince and some others knew what would work in their environment and what wouldn't. ECW was never going to be a truly national promotion because too much of what they offered turned off chunks of the audience. They were always going to be a niche promotion; but, an innovative one. Like Punk, it couldn't sustain itself. WCW, trying to copy it was pathetic. Really, the only successful borrowing of anything from ECW was the cruiserweights, with guys like Eddie Guerrero, Dean Malenko, and Chris Jericho, who had been showcased by Heyman, as well as Rey Mysterio, Psicosis and Juventud Guerrera, who had also done shows there (and had an in, with Konnan, as well as Japanese exposure). That, and some of DDP's character borrowed from the ECW style, with the exiting through the crowd and celebrating with them and things like that. When they actually poached ECW guys, they screwed it up and watered it down (Hack? Mike Awesome? Public Enemy?) Raven got over, though as a watered down version of Raven, with a ton of interference. He worked well with DDP, and the Flock had moments, but was never as good as Blue Meanie, Nova and Stevie Richards. I didn't get to see ECW until they debuted on TNN (before it became Spike), but had kept up, via the Observer. A lot of the talent had migrated, by that point; but, there was still some good stuff. I never cared for the garbage stuff; but, they had some really good stuff throughout their shows for an old school fan. It was way more palatable than the more pure garbage wrestling promotions, like Jersey Pro, CZW, XPW, and the original Japanese groups, like FMW, IWA, Big Japan and W*ING. I picked up one or two of those FMW tapes that one of the anime distributors was releasing, to watch Hayabusa and Mike Awesome; but, aside from them, Masato Tanaka, Megumi Kudo and Combat Toyoda, there was nothing worth watching. There were plenty of good alternatives to the WWF gimmick era and the WCW trainwreck, if you knew where to look, with ECW, Smokey Mountain, UWFI/Rings/Pancrase/Battle Arts, New Japan, All Japan, AAA, WAR, Arsion, All Japan Women. You just needed to find tape traders to watch some of it. True except Smoky mountain went out of business in 1995 and the USWA Did in 1997... but during the last of early 2000s there was for a little while Anyway MLW, Music city wrestling, NWA Worldwide ( Which became TNA) Basically. POWER Pro Wrestling from Memphis Etc . MLW Back then was like the new ECW in terms of stars and Style. KAW Was a outlaw ECW type promotion from TN back then in the early 2000s too.
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Post by wickedmountain on Nov 10, 2019 14:20:49 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with DQ finishes per se, but I do have a problem with a DVD compilation consisting of non-finishes so far. One Coliseum Video tape I remember is Wrestlefest 1990. There are 8 matches on that tape. 4 of them feature a DQ, 2 of them feature a count-out. When compiling tapes/DVDs/Blu-rays, I would prefer the majority of the matches to feature a conclusive finish. Same with a PPV. I wouldn't want to watch an 8-match PPV with 6 non-finishes. So while it's perfectly fine for DQs and count-outs to exist (for the reasons Cody has stated), I feel a little more thought could have been put into the AWA compilation. In succession, it gets a little tedious hearing the bell ring due to a DQ or count-out. Well, in a lot of ways, I think these territory sets were a teaser for the Network. He did the AWA, World Class and Mid-South and there was a ton of great footage from all. He barely scratched the surface, especially Mid-South. Mid-South, from about 1982-85 had some of the best booking in the business. There was so much great stuff, from JYD, at his peak, to Hacksaw Dugan's face turn and battles against Dibiase and the Rat Pack, the dawn of the Rock N Roll Express vs the Midnight Express, Volkoff and Darsow, Mr Wrestling II & Magnum TA, Murdoch and DiBiase Steve Williams coming in, Terry Taylor beating Dibiase for the North American title then facing Flair; so much great stuff AWA had so much Heenan, Bockwinkel and Stevens stuff, The Texas Outlaws (Rhodes & Murdoch) the Blackjacks, bruiser & Crusher, High Flyers, the ESPN years, Curt Hennig coming into his own, Scott Hall's rookie days, the Road Warriors, early Leon "Vader" White (though Vince never seemed to like Vader). One thing the dvd set really failed to capture was the international flavor of the AWA. They promoted Winnipeg regularly, which brought in a lot of Canadian talent, worked with All Japan and highlighted their guys, worked with Otto Wanz and cross promote with Catch Wrestling, etc. In the 80s, they had a succession of international Champions: Otto Wanz won it, then Bockwinkel regained, dropped it to Jumbo Tsuruta, who dropped it to Rick Martel, who dropped it to Hansen, who vacated the title and it went back to Bockwinkel. Later, Masa Saito won it; Mad Vachon had held it. That and the serious sports presentation helped make the AWA feel like a legit wrestling league, not just a company promotion. The NWA was a true league, with various territories and the AWA covered a wide region, plus Canada and the belt was defended in Japan, etc, while the WWF was the northeast, until 1984. Madison Square Garden, and the Philadelphia Spectrum and the Boston Gardens made the WWF important; but, it wasn't that big of a territory; it just had big population centers. The AWA was similar; but, theirs were spread out. In the 70s and 80s, the NWA and AWA were like the National and American Leagues, in Baseball. That's where, if they could have put egos aside, they could have crushe Vince. They had the talent and the early Pro Wrestling USA cards were loaded nd you had the AWA and NWA titles defended. They could have done title vs title matches and World series tournaments and drawn huge; but, no one trusted anyone else and it quickly fell apart and Pro Wrestling USA became just another AWA syndicated show, like All Star Wrestling; and, later, the AWA on ESPN. Verne's problem was that his stars of the late 60s were mostly his stars of the 70s and the 80s, with a few younger guys (the High Flyers, Adonis & Ventura, in the 70s, the Road Warriors, Curt Hennig and Scott Hall, in the 80s). The other promotions brought in new blood, to mix with the old and created new stars. The NWA wasn't still having the Funks vs Briscos and Gene Kiniski, and Pat O'Connor, etc. Harley was still in the mix and the Funks and briscos were still top draws; but, you also had Flair & Steamboat, Tommy Rich, Barry Windham, Lex Luger, Sting, Paul Orndorff, Masked Superstar, the Von Erichs, the Freebirds, the Rock N Roll Express, the Midnight Express, the Fantastics, etc, etc. You had the Horsemen, the Russians, Wahoo, Kevin Sullivan's army. They were vital. Verne's promotion just got old and the young guys didn't get their due until it was too late. By the time they elevated Curt Hennig, he was off to the WWF. Vince SR had some NWA Title matches in his Federation the WWWF Before it became just WWF . SR Saw them as friends JR Saw them as competition/Enemies . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 14:52:30 GMT -5
The 60 MEN and THREE RINGS was kind of farout wrestling gimmick that I ever saw in my whole life and I literally loved it ... to me its the Royal Rumble on STEROIDS and I went nuts trying to figure it out and enjoying the antics of all wrestlers in the three rings duking it out and RASSLING in a big WAY. I think 60 MEN would be an overkill ... but 50 Men would be much better and a tad bit more manageable. Sorry ... I'm opposite of you @taxidriver1980 in this and I wish this gimmick gets used again and sadly never will.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 15:33:25 GMT -5
No need to apologise for having a different view. I could "meet you halfway" and go with your 50-men idea.  For such a long time, McMahon didn't want to use anything that anyone else may have created. Look how long it took him to use the War Games concept. While he was happy to own the WCW video library, it did seem like he didn't want to a) use it as a brand (look at the lame invasion angle), nor use concepts that non-WWF promotions had come up with. I doubt we'd ever see "World War 3" used. It might seem redundant to the average WWF fan, given the existence of the 30-Man Rumble. But never say never. It might work if used once. Oh, I thought World War 3 was an excellent name for a PPV, and although I do think the concept was unwieldy, I was disappointed when it was replaced by the generic Mayhem in 1999. |
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