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Post by Gene on Jul 6, 2016 17:22:02 GMT -5
Marvel: Just diverse enough to make headlines, not enough to make actual change.
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Post by Gene on Jul 6, 2016 18:00:03 GMT -5
Also, how out of whack are things at Marvel that nobody's even mentioned the fact that Rhodey's funeral was shoehorned into an issue of Captain America instead of happening in the book that he's spent decades in as a prominent cast member?
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Post by berkley on Jul 6, 2016 18:10:48 GMT -5
Modern Marvel doesn't appeal to me much across the board, but I will say that I think it there is a kind of rationale to having another character act as Captain America or Iron Man since you could argue that one is a position rather than an identity and the other is basically a suit of armour that anyone could wear.
In contrast, Thor will always be a personal name to me rather than a title, so the female Thor makes no sense to me at all; and simply changing an established personality like Stephen Strange into something completely different while pretending it's the same character is equally nonsensical in my eyes.
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Post by Action Ace on Jul 6, 2016 18:39:32 GMT -5
First look at the new Iron Man: linkLooks like {Spoiler: Click to show}
Beyonce. will her power be twerking? That's what I thought when I saw the cover on the Drudge Report. Disney got her signed to do the fourth movie. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 6, 2016 19:48:50 GMT -5
Actually, Wanda is involved in Doctor Strange's story, having appeared in a number of the issues of his series, including the most recent one. I'd completely forgotten about the stuff going on in Hercules, partly because the series ended rather abruptly and partly because it was a really weak book. As far as the Empirikul versus the Uprising Storm new gods, I would be rooting for the Empirikul. Those new gods were lame, and I hated them from the moment they appeared on the page. I dropped Doctor Strange pretty quick, so I didn't realize Wanda was involved.. I know she was at the secret magicians bar with everyoe else, that's all I saw. I actually really like the Hercules series... really interesting characterization, and a logical story for Herc. I agree the new gods are terribly lame, though they did have one really good moment (which would be a spoiler) that made it all worthwhile. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 6, 2016 19:50:53 GMT -5
....And you didn't even mention how Scarlet Witch is pretty much JUST magical now, and not involved in Doctor's Strange's story. Never mind the new gods vs. the old gods in Hercules, which surely involves a fair amount of Magic. Hey, now there's a fun idea.. the Imperikul vs. the Modern Age gods. I think Ultimates this month was the worst.. 1/2 the issue was an origin of the team (which was fine, but total filler) and most of the rest a recap of the FCBD issue.. the only new bit of story was Tony arriving to yell at Carol about Rhodey. (you know, while he's under deep cover in Japan AND looking for his parents in Bulgaria AND fighting knock off armors in SHIELD AND in Space with the ANAD Avengers.. no biggie). Don't forget that he's also been guest starring in Amazing Spider-Man for four issues now in a story in which every single hero in the MU has been kidnapped. really? That's hilarious, since Spidey was helping Tony in Japan as well.. at the same time. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 6, 2016 19:55:24 GMT -5
That cover and article are massively misleading (as usual) based on the story. Riri is a college kid that starts skipping classes to attempt to make her own Iron Man armor. She's actually flying around in her suit in the last issue... she's been around for 6 months. She's definitely not the new Iron Man in any way, unless they kill Tony off in Japan (which doesn't seem likely). So far, She hasn't even been on the same continent as Tony, and their meeting seems at least a couple issues away (several if the book is going to get attached to Civil War II at all)
Also, her armor isn't Iron Man-colored, and she was looking for a good name last issue. She actually is very reminiscient of the girl in the Armor Wars comic from Secret Wars (Who I think was related to Rhodey, but I'm not certain).
Pepper has been far more 'Female Iron Man' than this in the past (even though she has for some reason been sent to Limbo)
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 6, 2016 19:56:52 GMT -5
Also, how out of whack are things at Marvel that nobody's even mentioned the fact that Rhodey's funeral was shoehorned into an issue of Captain America instead of happening in the book that he's spent decades in as a prominent cast member? That would be because in the latest issue of Iron Man he's rallying the Avengers to help Tony in Japan (and quite alive). hell, by the time they get around to it, he might be back. |
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Post by The Captain on Jul 6, 2016 20:19:17 GMT -5
Actually, Wanda is involved in Doctor Strange's story, having appeared in a number of the issues of his series, including the most recent one. I'd completely forgotten about the stuff going on in Hercules, partly because the series ended rather abruptly and partly because it was a really weak book. As far as the Empirikul versus the Uprising Storm new gods, I would be rooting for the Empirikul. Those new gods were lame, and I hated them from the moment they appeared on the page. I dropped Doctor Strange pretty quick, so I didn't realize Wanda was involved.. I know she was at the secret magicians bar with everyoe else, that's all I saw. I actually really like the Hercules series... really interesting characterization, and a logical story for Herc. I agree the new gods are terribly lame, though they did have one really good moment (which would be a spoiler) that made it all worthwhile. That's funny (interesting, not ha-ha). I think Dr. Strange is one of the stronger Marvel titles right now, and I absolutely hated the recent Hercules series. Different strokes and all that jazz... |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 6, 2016 20:22:02 GMT -5
I heard a local radio station talk about the new Iron Man. There might be a speculation feeding frenzy with this issue.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jul 6, 2016 20:28:22 GMT -5
The problem I have with the new Dr. Strange series is that I've read a lot of classic Dr. Strange. I've basically read everything from the start of the classic Lee/Ditko run till the end of his first series in the mid-80's. It's a completely different character. I also can't understand Marvel's modern problem with magic. I think this started with Bendis and Quesada. Where was this problem in the 60's, 70's and 80's? It seems to me that many of these guys simply didn't grow up reading the series and don't fully grasp the appeal of Strange's mythos.
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Post by Honeystinger on Jul 6, 2016 20:59:56 GMT -5
Modern Marvel doesn't appeal to me much across the board, but I will say that I think it there is a kind of rationale to having another character act as Captain America or Iron Man since you could argue that one is a position rather than an identity and the other is basically a suit of armour that anyone could wear. In contrast, Thor will always be a personal name to me rather than a title, so the female Thor makes no sense to me at all; and simply changing an established personality like Stephen Strange into something completely different while pretending it's the same character is equally nonsensical in my eyes. I'm with you on the Thor question. Saying that every god of thunder must be named Thor is like saying that every U.S. President must be named George because that was our first President's name. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 7, 2016 12:29:04 GMT -5
My issue with the new Dr. Strange book was that he's not really magical, or a hero. He's using the life force of others (making the suffer in the process) to do stuff.. usually when that happens we call them a supervillain and try to stop them, no matter how noble they think they are.
In fact, Marvel just did that story in Spider-man: Renew your Vows.. that's exactly what Regent does (just with Superheroes instead of magical monks)
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Post by The Captain on Jul 7, 2016 13:16:30 GMT -5
My issue with the new Dr. Strange book was that he's not really magical, or a hero. He's using the life force of others (making the suffer in the process) to do stuff.. usually when that happens we call them a supervillain and try to stop them, no matter how noble they think they are. In fact, Marvel just did that story in Spider-man: Renew your Vows.. that's exactly what Regent does (just with Superheroes instead of magical monks) Stephen didn't know about the monks being used to pay the price for his use of magic. Wong had made the arrangement behind his back in order to allow Stephen to continue to serve as Sorcerer Supreme and use magic unimpeded. Strange found out in the most-recent issue and sent all of the monks away, and he has yet to have a chance to deal with Wong. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 7, 2016 13:18:48 GMT -5
True, so I guess Wong is the bad guy then? He may not have known, but he did know there's suppose to be a price that he wasn't paying, right? I guess you could say he was self-delusional then? The whole set up just didn't sit well with me. If I'm going to read about Magic, I want it to be.. magical.
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