Confessor
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Post by Confessor on Nov 15, 2016 12:12:54 GMT -5
This is like saying, based on Willie May's final year in baseball, he's a maligned ballplayer like Choo Choo Coleman I don't think so. Nice to see Choo Choo's name anywhere! He was from Chattanooga, right? |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 15, 2016 12:16:22 GMT -5
Kirby left comics and went to animation where he was more appreciated. Ditko self prints after he was made an "art robot" on titles like Speedball, Machine Man and inventory stories and the ending run for Rom. And Infantino got mostly bad remarks from most people for his stints on Nova, Spider-Woman and his final work on the Flash. Towards the end of their careers all 3 men had many a vocal detractor/maligning them and even to the point of the industry big 2 not willing to provide them or promote them with steady constant work except to only giving them the small on the fringes stuff. This is pretty much how the older artists ended their careers from being the popular and company go to artist when other artists were behind to being unappreciated by the new "hip" crowd who has little appreciation for their past contributions and glories. Herb Trimpe could be added on that list, just as Gene Colan, alas. I am glad that Don Perlin managed to find work at Valiant, even if that was only for a few years. I dare say that it's even there I learned to appreciate his clean style. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Nov 15, 2016 12:43:12 GMT -5
Nice to see Choo Choo's name anywhere! He was from Chattanooga, right? He had a brother, Choo Choo Charley who worked for Good N' Plenty candies |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 15, 2016 12:52:51 GMT -5
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Nov 15, 2016 13:24:17 GMT -5
Wow, I had that card once. Ciao Choo Choo |
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Post by berkley on Nov 15, 2016 17:08:33 GMT -5
Kirby left comics and went to animation where he was more appreciated. Ditko self prints after he was made an "art robot" on titles like Speedball, Machine Man and inventory stories and the ending run for Rom. And Infantino got mostly bad remarks from most people for his stints on Nova, Spider-Woman and his final work on the Flash. Towards the end of their careers all 3 men had many a vocal detractor/maligning them and even to the point of the industry big 2 not willing to provide them or promote them with steady constant work except to only giving them the small on the fringes stuff. This is pretty much how the older artists ended their careers from being the popular and company go to artist when other artists were behind to being unappreciated by the new "hip" crowd who has little appreciation for their past contributions and glories. Herb Trimpe could be added on that list, just as Gene Colan, alas. I am glad that Don Perlin managed to find work at Valiant, even if that was only for a few years. I dare say that it's even there I learned to appreciate his clean style. Did he now? I might have to look for some of those. I've always liked Perlin's self-inked artwork on Werewolf by Night, though so not much what I've seen of his other stuff (e.g. The Defenders). |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 15, 2016 18:11:18 GMT -5
Herb Trimpe could be added on that list, just as Gene Colan, alas. I am glad that Don Perlin managed to find work at Valiant, even if that was only for a few years. I dare say that it's even there I learned to appreciate his clean style. Did he now? I might have to look for some of those. I've always liked Perlin's self-inked artwork on Werewolf by Night, though so not much what I've seen of his other stuff (e.g. The Defenders). I really didn't like his Defenders either, espcially the latter ones where he seems to have been told to jazz up his pages. His work on Solar, by comparison, reminds me a little of Leonard Starr; clean storytelling, with characters who look like actual people. Considering how Valiant had sort of picked up the New Universe's mandate of presenting a "real" world with uncommon things happening in it, I thought it was quite apropriate. |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Nov 15, 2016 22:57:52 GMT -5
It's refreshing that we're discussing comics again. I was, in fact, one of the folks who didn't care for Infantino's later work, but his early work was much better and his panel and cover designs were great.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 16, 2016 3:10:00 GMT -5
I like Frank Robbins comic book artwork. There i said it! And Don Heck, George Tuska, Bob Brown, Carmine Infantino, Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, Jose Delbo, and other maligned artists and even Vince Colleta inks i like at times, so there i said that too! I love Frank Robbins. I enjoyed his Batman; his Cap was dynamic, though saddled with some not so great stories (though he did help introduce Dr Faustus). Invaders was where he ruled. he captured the period and the style of those Alex Schomburg covers that inspired Roy Thomas. I loved his scenes of Cap diving into hordes of Nazis; just good stuff. His comic strip, Johnny hazard, was pretty good, too. Kirby was maligned behind the scenes and by fans, after his return to Marvel. His later forays featured more disappointment than criticism. Don Heck was most definitely maligned, and unfairly, in my opinion. He didn't get the best inkers and he was stuck in a superhero world. let him do something else and he was gold. As it was, I liked his Avengers stuff. Bob Brown I enjoyed on Marv Wolfman's tenure, on Daredevil. Good solid comics. Tuska did great work on The THUNDER Agents. |
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Post by brutalis on Nov 16, 2016 7:38:55 GMT -5
It's refreshing that we're discussing comics again. I was, in fact, one of the folks who didn't care for Infantino's later work, but his early work was much better and his panel and cover designs were great. Agree early Infantino showed his creativity in both interior design flow and cover dynamics (his Batman covers are some of the best ever for catching your attention) but it was his later work which i was enjoying as they were more readily available being current monthly issues when finding back issues was a bit trickier before the advent of comic shops. So i had only a few Flash issues he drew as well as a couple of Adam Strange adventures. Knew his earlier work more so from the many covers for DC he laid out designed. Those Marvel adventures in Star Wars, Spider-Woman and Nova and his finale of Flash were still great to me and he showed off wonderful sequential storytelling while keeping the heroic stars as heroically posed and fighting in unique stylistic form and vigor that was compelling to me at least. |
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Post by Confessor on Nov 16, 2016 8:25:26 GMT -5
Those Marvel adventures in Star Wars, Spider-Woman and Nova and his finale of Flash were still great to me and he showed off wonderful sequential storytelling while keeping the heroic stars as heroically posed and fighting in unique stylistic form and vigor that was compelling to me at least. Speaking specifically about the Star Wars stuff, Infantino's impeccable skill with telling a story through sequential art was definitely still fully intact, no doubts there. But I never much cared for his overly angular and awkwardly posed figures, nor his willful (yep, willful) neglect when it came to accurately depicting the various spaceships from the Star Wars franchise. I might even go further and say that, in my humble opinion, Infantino's highly stylized art hurt the series' sales. There are many times later on in the run where readers would note on the letters page that they used to buy the book back in the late '70s, but dropped it because they disliked Infantino's artwork...only to come back on board when the likes of Walt Simonson or Ron Frenz were the artists. If you look at the sales figures for Marvel's Star Wars, you'll see that the book's sales peaked in 1978 and 1979, and then steadily declined. Those peak years were in the middle of Infantino's tenure on the book and also when interest in SW among fans was building to fever pitch. But, while fandom's love of all things SW continued to escalate with the release of The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, the comic book slowly but surely dropped off in commercial terms. Of course, my claim that Infantino's art hurt the book's sales is based entirely on circumstantial evidence, but that's definitely my gut feeling. |
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Post by brutalis on Nov 16, 2016 8:26:57 GMT -5
Comic book shop staff have become used car salesman. Went into a shop last night that i pass on my way home, not a major store, a very small one which in the corner of a strip mall and is more like a collector shop that just happens to carry comic books to fill a hole in the wall it seems.
Had barely walked in and one of the staff (3 working in such a small space?) rushed right up to "welcome" me by suggesting what comics i should look at and which custom figures are currently the big sellers. Felt like i had walked into the twilight zone for a moment. The staffer never even introduced himself or gave me a moment to speak or ask what i might be interested in or looking for before already attempting to push me to what he wanted to sell. Pushy. Abrasive. Rude. There i said it
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Nov 16, 2016 9:14:33 GMT -5
It's refreshing that we're discussing comics again. There are hundreds and hundreds of threads about comics I thought the title of this thread had something to do with "any subject in the world" There, I said it  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 16, 2016 13:10:09 GMT -5
Anyone blocking traffic with the intention of attacking the driver once they stop, deserves to be run over.
There. I said it
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Post by brutalis on Nov 16, 2016 17:26:19 GMT -5
I has taken all i can takes and i cant's takes no more! I'm out of here going home from work. There i said it in my best squinched eye gravelly Popeye voice that i can muster  |
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