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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 2, 2016 13:48:41 GMT -5
Maybe someone should write a companion book to this one about all the wrong things taught in science classes in American schools... because curriculum for schools never includes wrong information and new evidence never changes our understanding of the universe or our history. Dammit, I don't care what Galileo said (even though Bruno-for the wrong reasons-and Copernicus-for the right reasons said it first-as well as a host of ancients), the sun revolves around the earth I say. There I said it! -M Do you envision a day where physical textbooks in public K-12 schools are phased out? With the incredible cost to them, as well as the information, particularly in the sciences and technology fields, changing more rapidly than ever before, it wouldn't surprise me if schools went to a model of licensing material from an external source that would be updated on a yearly basis so that the students are being kept up to date. This would go a long way to creating a level playing field between "rich" districts, which can afford to replace books on a regular basis, and "poor" districts that may struggle to buy new books but which could rent the information from a third-party on a year-by-year basis. And if it isn't already being piloted or done somewhere, does anyone want to start a new business venture with me? Already happening. This year as a freshman is the first year that I can remember that my youngest son has had a math textbook. When I asked about it I was told they are too expensive to replace and that they can get the same effect at less cost from printing worksheets.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 2, 2016 16:32:51 GMT -5
Using a computer/Ipad, whatever is all well and good, BUT it's expensive to supply every student with one. Depending on the district, many kids will already have one that will likely be of better quality than those a school district can afford and so you already have issues.
That's leaving aside the the issues of being glued to yet another screen all day and not be able to bring the device home.
I just retired from teaching after 37 years and I can tell you that the gimmicks just never stop coming down the pike -- whiteboards, Powerpoint, on-line classes, Cornell note-taking, webbing, the COW, focus correction areas, Essential Question, Mastery Objective, Common Core, Frameworks, Know, Understand,Do -- all accompanied by acronyms up the WAZOO (Where All Zany Oddness Overloads).
There's generally something of value to be gleaned from most of these, but buying fully into any and all of them is inevitably a recipe for disaster.
We're moving toward a theory and practice of education that refuses to acknowledge the importance of a teacher and a community of learners, which certainly enhances many a bottom line, but does nothing for the notion that learning should involve the development of one's ability to work with others toward the achievement of a mutual goal, an achievement whose whole is larger than the sum of its parts. Developing that ability means being able to offer and defend opinions face-to-face as well. That's a lost art in the days of on-line courses and anonymous teachers. Sad.
Back to texts: I taught a Shakespeare class for almost 30 years, and, once the Internet made it practicable, would print out, copy and three-hole punch the plays. My students kept them in a three-ring binder. We used them as scripts for performing in class, but the kids could also (and I insisted they did) incorporaate into the texts notes, annotations, definitions, anything we discussed. In general, I let them use those notes on quizzes and tests. One result was that they really "owned" those plays. Touching and writing on a text make a huge difference, as does reading and enacting the words. (And that doesn't go just for plays.)
Can't do that if the text is on a screen. Not as easy to read from in front of class, either.
Before I had the 'Net, I used the Folger paperbacks, but insisted, to the kids' astonishment, that they write in them. They'd been conditioned not to over many years of education, but far from "vandalizing" the books, they were adding to their value for the classes to come. Over the years, many a kid had a chance to sound like a brain wehn I would ask a question for which his or her book contained the answer. Plus, if I did not mention something that was in their books, they'd stop and ask me about it.
Each book was a little like an archaelogical dig. And it added the "F-word" to school.
"Fun."
PS: Ever notice how people who make Powerpoints as a supplement or illustration simply read them to you? It's a step backwards from true communication: the room is dark, a voice reads to you as you read along, they never vary from the script (since they don't really understand the gobbledy-gook they've copied from someone else). And in the 21st century, that's "running a meeting" or "teaching."
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Post by dupersuper on Feb 2, 2016 20:50:46 GMT -5
I will always consider Planet a planet too, but the arguments against it make sense unless we are ready to call Ceres a planet too (and Makemake, and Quaoar, and Eris, and Sedna, and all the other trans-neptunian worlds). The rule that a planet must have cleared its orbit from space debris is pretty straightforward, no matter how much I root for my pal Pluto... Still, it's unfair!!! There are "grandfather" exceptions to rules all the time. They can apply the new rules to other trans-Neptunian objects and grandfather Pluto in as a planetary exception. My solar system has 9 planets, dammit. Possibly 10 now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 21:25:18 GMT -5
I just retired from teaching after 37 years and I can tell you that the gimmicks just never stop coming down the pike -- whiteboards, Powerpoint, on-line classes, Cornell note-taking, webbing, the COW, focus correction areas, Essential Question, Mastery Objective, Common Core, Frameworks, Know, Understand,Do -- all accompanied by acronyms up the WAZOO (Where All Zany Oddness Overloads). There's generally something of value to be gleaned from most of these, but buying fully into any and all of them is inevitably a recipe for disaster. We're moving toward a theory and practice of education that refuses to acknowledge the importance of a teacher and a community of learners, which certainly enhances many a bottom line, but does nothing for the notion that learning should involve the development of one's ability to work with others toward the achievement of a mutual goal, an achievement whose whole is larger than the sum of its parts. Developing that ability means being able to offer and defend opinions face-to-face as well. That's a lost art in the days of on-line courses and anonymous teachers. Sad. You are so right on this and this is one of the many sad things that I learned in the past few years and I echo your statements here with a sadness in my heart.
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Post by Gene on Feb 2, 2016 22:54:54 GMT -5
Only by seizing the means of production can we begin to build an economy in which all are provided for according to their needs.
там. Я сказал это.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 2, 2016 23:06:15 GMT -5
Only by seizing the means of production can we begin to build an economy in which all are provided for according to their needs. там. Я сказал это. Which Marx Bros are you quoting?
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Post by Gene on Feb 2, 2016 23:59:04 GMT -5
Only by seizing the means of production can we begin to build an economy in which all are provided for according to their needs. там. Я сказал это. Which Marx Bros are you quoting? Luigi, I think?
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 3, 2016 0:24:59 GMT -5
Maybe someone should write a companion book to this one about all the wrong things taught in science classes in American schools... because curriculum for schools never includes wrong information and new evidence never changes our understanding of the universe or our history. Dammit, I don't care what Galileo said (even though Bruno-for the wrong reasons-and Copernicus-for the right reasons said it first-as well as a host of ancients), the sun revolves around the earth I say. There I said it! -M Teaching creationism because evolution is a "theory" is like giving equal time to flat-earthers and Holocaust deniers.
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Post by Spike-X on Feb 3, 2016 5:44:45 GMT -5
Syd Barrett was an overrated, drug-f***ed hack.
There. I said it.
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Post by Spike-X on Feb 3, 2016 5:46:18 GMT -5
Since we'll be talking about Cerebus soon... heres my take on Dave Sim's supposedly unassailable list of 15 impossible things to believe before breakfast. Fifteen Impossible Things To Believe Before Breakfast That Make You A Good Feminist:
What happened to Sim, anyway? How did he become so obsessed with all this? Because the women in his life weren't content to merely be his sexual playthings, but insisted on being fully-rounded human beings, with thoughts and opinions and needs and wants and all that other pesky stuff.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 3, 2016 7:51:49 GMT -5
What happened to Sim, anyway? How did he become so obsessed with all this? Because the women in his life weren't content to merely be his sexual playthings, but insisted on being fully-rounded human beings, with thoughts and opinions and needs and wants and all that other pesky stuff. Hate when that happens.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 3, 2016 7:55:16 GMT -5
Syd Barrett was an overrated, drug-f***ed hack. There. I said it. Just googled him. Another talent destroyed by drugs.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 3, 2016 8:51:54 GMT -5
"Xenomorph" was a joke, dammit! A joke! It was meant to illustrate how a stupid bureaucracy pretends it understands something just because it slaps a stupid name on it! Even the colonial marines got it: "excuse me, sir... a what?"
Call them "Aliens", already! Yes, there are more space aliens than just those ones out there... but context is everything. Nobody gets confused when people talk of "Americans" when they mean citizens of the united States, even if there are other people living in the Americas.
"Xenomorphs"... bah!
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Post by dupersuper on Feb 3, 2016 20:19:22 GMT -5
A xenomorph by any other name...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 19:41:22 GMT -5
Can someone tell me who's going to solve the near 19 TRILLION dollar US debt?
It's a bit worrisome when financial experts predict an impending crash of the US dollar...
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