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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 1, 2020 17:04:35 GMT -5
While I certainly understand the frustration expressed by some here, the importance of representation can be difficult to truly understand for a group that has always been well represented in everything. I've never lacked straight white guys to aspire to be because I saw them in media and pop culture all the time and everywhere I looked, so to me it has never been a big deal to see myself represented that way. There are others however, who haven't had that bounty of riches in representation, so I am not going to gainsay them, or their allies, when they speak out about it. Having spent a fair amount of time in classrooms in inner city schools and HBCUs where it was minority majority student populations when I was teacher when I was younger, I have been hearing expressions of frustrations about representation and its importance to minority youth since the early 90s, voices which usually fell on deaf ears when it came to the people in positions to make decisions about it. So I for one am glad those voices are now being heard and some people are actually starting to pay attention to it. No it may not seem as important to us as say voting rights, but to some it is, because it is part of the fabric of their everyday lives, a constant reminder of where they stand in the eyes of the system. But again, Most have never had to endure a lack of representation to understand what that is like. There I said it.
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Post by Confessor on Nov 1, 2020 18:23:48 GMT -5
It's a problem with the " woke" crowd. I heard that a movie about a transgender person wasn't made because they cast Scarlet Johansen and it was protested against. And it's a problem with modern news media that five people with an axe to grind and access to the internet are a "crowd" to be picked up, thrown into the news feedback machine where reporters report on reports of reports of what people said other people said, and cut, and paste, and suddenly we're not in Kansas any more, Toto and the whole thing is distorted far beyond any recognisable relationship to reality. Ab-sol-f***ing-lutely, junkmonkey! It really, REALLY annoys me when the reaction of a few hundred people on Twitter is reported by the BBC or similar as if it's an accurate barometer of public opinion. It isn't. Only something like 7-10% of Americans use Twitter (about 20% in the UK, I believe) and those users are predominantly aged between 19 and 29, and predominantly left-leaning politically. So even if American or British Twitter users were expressing outrage in their millions about the same thing -- which rarely happens -- it still wouldn't be a very useful indicator of the mood of those nations generally. That's not to say that it's totally useless either, but as I say, it irks me when the views of a small number of Twitter users are reported on the evening news as if it's representative of that way that the majority of the public are feeling on a given topic. |
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Post by berkley on Nov 1, 2020 18:36:25 GMT -5
Love Queen, love Bowie, but have never much cared for Under Pressure. The 80s weren't a good time for either act creatively, to my way of thnking, though it was probably Bowie's peak decade commercially and Queen may have been the biggest rock group in the world at some point during those years.
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Post by junkmonkey on Nov 1, 2020 18:37:52 GMT -5
While I certainly understand the frustration expressed by some here, the importance of representation can be difficult to truly understand for a group that has always been well represented in everything. I've never lacked straight white guys to aspire to be because I saw them in media and pop culture all the time and everywhere I looked, so to me it has never been a big deal to see myself represented that way. There are others however, who haven't had that bounty of riches in representation, so I am not going to gainsay them, or their allies, when they speak out about it. Having spent a fair amount of time in classrooms in inner city schools and HBCUs where it was minority majority student populations when I was teacher when I was younger, I have been hearing expressions of frustrations about representation and its importance to minority youth since the early 90s, voices which usually fell on deaf ears when it came to the people in positions to make decisions about it. So I for one am glad those voices are now being heard and some people are actually starting to pay attention to it. No it may not seem as important to us as say voting rights, but to some it is, because it is part of the fabric of their everyday lives, a constant reminder of where they stand in the eyes of the system. But again, Most have never had to endure a lack of representation to understand what that is like. There I said it. -M Perfect summation sir! I am all for and encourage representation for all kinds of artistry. I just don't care for or like all the "hate/death/exclusivity" that many have joined into. There is room for change and growth without the personal attacks upon others.
Well said both of you. I realised a couple of years ago that if actors were only allowed to play characters with a similar ethnic (whatever that means) background to their own then the world wouldn't have had Anthony Sher's Richard the Third (Richard the Third wasn't Jewish) or Al Pacino's Shylock (nor is Mr Pacino). I don't want to be the one to tell Morgan Freeman the only Shakespearian Character he can play is Othello. - Gods! I'd love to see Morgan Freeman as MacBeth.
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 1, 2020 22:27:35 GMT -5
I think more in terms of something either works or it doesn't. Marlon Brando with tape on his eyes... er, eccch... but David Bowie as the Elephant Man... bloody brilliant! So let them dare; John Wayne as Ghengis Khan or Reba McEntire as Colonel Saunders, it's likely going to be entertainment either way.
But I would rather see original characters rather than retro fitting an existing one, that can just seem like table scraps or a gimmick.
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Post by Batflunkie on Nov 1, 2020 22:41:08 GMT -5
Under Pressure is Queen’s best song. There I said it! My mom likes it a lot, it's an "o-k" jingle in my book, but hardly my favorite For me, it's Another One Bites The Dust Damn, it's like 40 years old but doesn't sound dated at all....
It's a good hard rock song for sure. Same with "I want it all", which is getting a lot of use in advertising as of late fine... fine.... just so long as I never have to hear Bohemian Rhapsody ever again in my life. Now them's some fighting words sir!  I think Bicycle Race might be their worst song |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 23:21:22 GMT -5
Favorite Queen song-Spread Your Wings off of News of the World.
Favorite Bowie song-Heroes but a lot of that has to do with Fripp's guitar work on that track.
Ask me tomorrow and they might change-I like a great deal of Queen and Bowie's oeuvres.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 2, 2020 10:13:27 GMT -5
I'll admit my liking of Under Pressure has a lot too do with Vanilla Ice's infamous sample for Ice Ice Baby which was huge at the time. I listened to mostly rap and R&B through most of my teen years and into my 20's. It wasn't until my mid to late 20's that I started listening to other genres of music. And I've always been a fan of rap sampling other music for their music. When I started listening to rock it was crazy how many songs I recognized from rapper's samplings. Kashmir by Led Zepplin (Jimmy Page actually did the guitar in that song with Puff Daddy) Island in the Stream by Kenny Rogers, Every Breath You Take by The Police, and Let's Dance by David Bowie just to name a few. Though the last one I didn't care for. Puff Daddy slowed the tempo of the song down too much from Bowie's song.
So thanks to rappers, a genre that I really wasn't interested in when a lot of them were popular or had become legends was what got me open to listening to rock music. And thereby some of the above bands becoming some of my favorites.
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Post by impulse on Nov 2, 2020 10:22:51 GMT -5
Under Pressure is Queen’s best song. There I said it! Not even top ten. There, I said it!
I would have a hard time singling out a single best Queen song, but among them I'd include The Show Must Go On and Killer Queen. Also, while I wouldn't call it their "best," I have always been partial to Stone Cold Crazy. Blistering prototype for speed and thrash metal that I think hits harder then the Metallica cover years later.
Just the kind of error in judgement made by people who haven't properly appreciated Dragon Attack (from The Game album)!  A surprisingly rocky and boogie-ish tune on their disco album. Another One Bites the Dust...hard rock song Bwaaahh?? That's about as disco as a rock band can get. I love the song, mind... |
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 2, 2020 12:43:06 GMT -5
I'm most fond of Dragon Attack I think because of a memory of roller-disco. I used to love roller skating and ice skating, I even skateboarded back in the day when i could borrow a board (but more sidewalk surfing with no tricks or flipping stuff). I never had a bicycle and couldn't do indoor or chlorine swimming pools at all, so maybe that's why. Queen, AC/DC, The Police, Blondie, 2-Tone Ska, REO Speedwagon, Bob Seger, Slade, The Bus Boys... those artists and many others will always be uber-cool to me, 1978-1983 was a pretty good time for me, tons of great memories! Certain songs are guaranteed flashbacks to specific times, places and people for me. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 2, 2020 12:54:47 GMT -5
Speaking of Bob Seger ..... well ....
There I didn't say it!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 2, 2020 13:00:14 GMT -5
Speaking of Bob Seger ..... well .... There I didn't say it! My sons believe that Bob Seger is quintessential "Dad" music. Not their Dad in particular, because I seldom listen to Bob Segar. Just that he generally represents "Dad" music. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 2, 2020 13:18:55 GMT -5
Seger's Against The Wind was one of the first LPs I bought new all on my own (once I had an income, papers, parking lot maintenance on Sundays back when almost everything was closed on that day, even sign making grocery store window price banners). REO's Hi-Infidelity was another. Everyone had Queen's The Game, at least one of the first three Police albums, and AC/DC's Highway To Hell and Back In Black. The first 45 single I remember buying myself was Ma Baker by Boney M, a seriously disco rekkid. Heck, I knew how to do 'The Hustle'! I was only eleven or twelve mind you, don't judge to harshly. I wasn't likely to 'get' say Pink Floyd or King Crimson. I didn't even think The Village People were anything but fun guys in costumes (Go West, very first LP purchase at a shop in the shadow of Mount Shasta, California). I think it was a good time because I had money and I could afford to go to movies, buy music and comics, clothes I wanted to wear, and groups of friends. Anything from that mini-era seems gold tinged. I got my green belt in 1982 and fell in with a bad crowd winding up at a religious school for awhile to straighten out. Couldn't find the Maui Wowee anymore and the party was over (many friends disappeared too, a few even died). Hope that's not TMI.  |
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Post by junkmonkey on Nov 2, 2020 13:22:10 GMT -5
Speaking of Bob Seger ..... well .... There I didn't say it! My sons believe that Bob Seger is quintessential "Dad" music. Not their Dad in particular, because I seldom listen to Bob Segar. Just that he generally represents "Dad" music. My Dad's music was incomprehensible free form Jazz fusion Prog Rock. King Crimson was the frothy pop end of his spectrum. Needless to say I got into Punk very fast when I was a kid. |
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Post by junkmonkey on Nov 2, 2020 13:26:05 GMT -5
The first 45 single I remember buying myself was Ma Baker by Boney M, a seriously disco rekkid. I like Boney M. The way Night Flight to Venus segues into Rasputin is pure musical genius. I own more than my fair share of Village People LPs too. |
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