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Post by Pharozonk on Aug 19, 2014 8:42:48 GMT -5
Dear god, Wonder Woman looks terrifying on that cover.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 13:06:09 GMT -5
I really only like Wonder Woman when she's drawn in the Golden Age style. And am I crazy or is that blade off? The tip doesn't seem to match up with base size/shape wise, and the two ends don't look like their lined up.
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Post by Jesse on Sept 15, 2014 17:06:02 GMT -5
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Post by shaxper on Sept 25, 2014 18:59:01 GMT -5
Kicking up this thread again as several of our new Hall of Justice friends mentioned that Wonder Woman was their favorite character.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Sept 25, 2014 19:18:15 GMT -5
Wonder Woman. A fascinating case study in creating a character for all the right reasons, immediately introducing pervasive elements that degrade the character, successfully re-inventing the character, and then pitching all of that into the bin. The first thirty years of Wonder Woman play out far differently than her male contemporaries, Superman and Batman, the only other characters to enjoy uninterrupted publication through the modern era. It's a staggering achievement, but it seems that she is still today defined more by the "Woman" than the "Wonder." Why is that?
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Post by shaxper on Sept 25, 2014 19:25:52 GMT -5
I realize that Wonder Woman is supposedly steeped in Grecko-Roman mythology, but the concept of a super human warrior queen living among an isolated race of warrior women, feels a lot more like Brunhild from the Germanic myth of The Nibelungen. Anyone familiar with the myth want to weigh in?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 19:26:02 GMT -5
Kicking up this thread again as several of our new Hall of Justice friends mentioned that Wonder Woman was their favorite character. I just can't wait for the Finches take over Wonder Woman ... David Finch does a great job of drawing her!
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Post by berkley on Sept 25, 2014 22:35:53 GMT -5
I realize that Wonder Woman is supposedly steeped in Grecko-Roman mythology, but the concept of a super human warrior queen living among an isolated race of warrior women, feels a lot more like Brunhild from the Germanic myth of The Nibelungen. Anyone familiar with the myth want to weigh in? It's been a long time since I read the Nibelungenlied or the Sigurd sagas, but I don't remember Brunnhild's subjects being a race of warrior women, though she certainly was one herself, of course. I'd say it's more that the warrior-woman is a type that appears in a lot of different mythologies, not just the Germanic. The Greco-Roman has several - Athena, Atalanta, Hippolyta, Penthesilea, and at least one more whose name I forget. It's true that most of those weren't queens of isolated races, but a couple of them were so I don't think that that specific element necessarily came from Brunnhild. If you look at how WW is often written as combining the characteristics of a fearsome warrior with a more judicious approach to conflict than is sometimes exhibited by her male counterparts, I think it's clear that in these comics she's taken on some of the attributes of Athena, which is probably why that goddess seems to be conspicuously absent from the current series. The other option would have been to make her WW's patron or mentor, but since WW has been made into a goddess herself now, that probably wouldn't fit in with the writer's wishes.
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 26, 2014 11:55:21 GMT -5
Germans, Greeks and Romans are all Indo-European, so it's not surprising that there are a lot of parallels in their stories.
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Post by gothos on Sept 26, 2014 14:46:45 GMT -5
Wonder Woman. A fascinating case study in creating a character for all the right reasons, immediately introducing pervasive elements that degrade the character, successfully re-inventing the character, and then pitching all of that into the bin. The first thirty years of Wonder Woman play out far differently than her male contemporaries, Superman and Batman, the only other characters to enjoy uninterrupted publication through the modern era. It's a staggering achievement, but it seems that she is still today defined more by the "Woman" than the "Wonder." Why is that? Define "degrade," please.
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Post by gothos on Sept 26, 2014 14:48:05 GMT -5
I realize that Wonder Woman is supposedly steeped in Grecko-Roman mythology, but the concept of a super human warrior queen living among an isolated race of warrior women, feels a lot more like Brunhild from the Germanic myth of The Nibelungen. Anyone familiar with the myth want to weigh in? It's been a long time since I read the Nibelungenlied or the Sigurd sagas, but I don't remember Brunnhild's subjects being a race of warrior women, though she certainly was one herself, of course. I'd say it's more that the warrior-woman is a type that appears in a lot of different mythologies, not just the Germanic. The Greco-Roman has several - Athena, Atalanta, Hippolyta, Penthesilea, and at least one more whose name I forget. It's true that most of those weren't queens of isolated races, but a couple of them were so I don't think that that specific element necessarily came from Brunnhild. If you look at how WW is often written as combining the characteristics of a fearsome warrior with a more judicious approach to conflict than is sometimes exhibited by her male counterparts, I think it's clear that in these comics she's taken on some of the attributes of Athena, which is probably why that goddess seems to be conspicuously absent from the current series. The other option would have been to make her WW's patron or mentor, but since WW has been made into a goddess herself now, that probably wouldn't fit in with the writer's wishes. The Celts have a particular tradition of warrior women in their folklore. It's a shame that Marston didn't have WW meet Boudicea.
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 26, 2014 17:16:18 GMT -5
Celts - more Indo-Europeans.
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Post by Strykerx2k on Sept 27, 2014 18:34:56 GMT -5
I am very happy to see a Wonder Woman thread here! There are many of us from The Hall of Justice that love her, so this is a great place to chat about her. I am with Doctor Fate...will be so happy when the Finches take over the title. Reading the past 3 years has been a real chore...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 20:29:29 GMT -5
I am very happy to see a Wonder Woman thread here! There are many of us from The Hall of Justice that love her, so this is a great place to chat about her. I am with Doctor Fate...will be so happy when the Finches take over the title. Reading the past 3 years has been a real chore... Not a big fan of the Azzarello run, but at least I liked Chiang's artwork. I have a feeling the Finch's run will be a trainwreck, only one with more mangled anatomy, because well Finch is drawing it. -M
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Post by Strykerx2k on Sept 27, 2014 21:13:11 GMT -5
I am not a huge fan of Chiang's, but I don't mind what I have seen of Finch's Wonder Woman. The biggest thing for me, is the story has to get back to more of what Diana is about and less of this bastardized version of her.
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