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Post by driver1980 on Oct 6, 2024 6:26:41 GMT -5
I thought that topic might elicit a few strong opinions, but apparently not 😅 You made a good point, and I couldn’t think of much to add. But well said.
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 6, 2024 6:53:14 GMT -5
Traditional inking had much more character and I dislike the overly clean AI generated looking perfection of digital inking. Does anyone prefer digital inking? If so, why? (One credit I'll give to digital inking- it makes drawing hair easier! As opposed to messing about with whiteout.) From the new comics I still buy, I can’t tell the difference. The new technology in any area will always replace the old.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 6, 2024 7:23:58 GMT -5
Traditional inking had much more character and I dislike the overly clean AI generated looking perfection of digital inking. Does anyone prefer digital inking? If so, why? (One credit I'll give to digital inking- it makes drawing hair easier! As opposed to messing about with whiteout.) Two huge advantages of digital inking : 1) the "undo" function; 2) not having to scan the art, and then mess with the brightness/contrast, levels and curves functions for ever and ever. When it comes to how it looks, however, I like the slight imperfections that a brush or a pen nib leave on paper. I think they make the art look a bit more alive.
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Post by tarkintino on Oct 6, 2024 7:57:09 GMT -5
That was really the issue. And in fact, some of the restoration work was because the master tapes had degraded so badly and a lot of videos we had back then were NOT the same quality as what we had seen in the movie theaters originally. Yes, some enhancements too, but what I like actually about Harmy's is that it tries to take the best elements of true restoration and remove the actual changes to the story. George Lucas always maintained that the negatives were "falling apart" which moved him toward his alleged "preservation" of the original Star Wars films. In reality, the 1997 Star Wars Special Editions were part of the continuing testing ground not only for Star Wars in the marketplace (with his never bieng satisfied with the work put into the OT's FX), but the CG technology he intended to employ for the prequels. I am pretty familiar with film stocks, which type hold up, degrade quickly, how they need to be stored, etc., and I cannot fully buy Lucas' claims about the entire OT, especially when other films of the era, shot on the same stock (and have since undergone restoration or digital transfers) had not degraded to the degree he claimed regarding the OT. It seems strange that the entire OT would be in such bad shape / subjected to poor storage practices, when films nearly a century old (e.g., Universal's horror films from the 1930s) or 50+ year-old TV series (e.g. Star Trek, Batman, etc.) had well preserved negatives to digitize in this era, yet the cash cow that was Star Wars was as neglected as Lucas claimed? Granted, all preservation methods and film stocks are not the same, so Lucas had some wiggle room to sell his reasons, but again, LFL or Fox simply neglected one of their biggest properties? That was a senseless change. Okay, so Lucas wanted Han to not look like an outright killer (er...he worked for a notorious gangster, for one glossed over clue), Lucas forgot that Han--in the 1977 film--was the moral ambiguity character, one who was ruthless, always thinking of himself, right up to the scene where he's on Yavin, loading his payment, and bailing on the Rebellion. His self-interested behavior made his return at the last minute of the Death Star battle such a big, transformational moment for him. Watering down his murder of Greedo as self-defense came off as a contradictory reaction to his mindset throughout the rest of the film, until the surprise return. It appears Lucas wanted to be Disney more than he ever admitted.
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 6, 2024 7:57:18 GMT -5
It's not the methods. It's the artists. Digital inking allows some inkers to take shortcuts and not do their job of enhancing the pencils.
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 6, 2024 8:00:35 GMT -5
I agree with some of the criticism of ANH Special Edition. But I must say the final assault on the Death Star was better. In the original, it was much more random as various X-Wings attacked. In the SE, there was clear battle strategy as the Wing Squadrons went in.
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Post by rich on Oct 6, 2024 8:35:41 GMT -5
Digital art encourages artists to copy and paste more than ever: Page after page of the same faces. I get that it's quicker, but I'd outright ban it if I was Marvel or DC. Gerads, who drew the above pic, is notorious for doing it endlessly.
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Post by rich on Oct 6, 2024 8:39:38 GMT -5
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Post by rich on Oct 6, 2024 8:40:33 GMT -5
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 6, 2024 8:44:19 GMT -5
Digital art encourages artists to copy and paste more than ever: Page after page of the same faces. I get that it's quicker, but I'd outright ban it if I was Marvel or DC. Gerads, who drew the above pic, is notorious for doing it endlessly. That was downright distracting in the 2006 Silver Surfer miniseries (tied to Annihilation). Characters and faces, sometimes soaceships, were copied and pasted again and again, sometimes reversed, sometimes made bigger, sometimes coloured a bit differently. It didn't give bad results, I admit, but once you noticed it it kept pulling you out of the story.
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Post by rich on Oct 6, 2024 8:46:47 GMT -5
Digital art encourages artists to copy and paste more than ever: Page after page of the same faces. I get that it's quicker, but I'd outright ban it if I was Marvel or DC. Gerads, who drew the above pic, is notorious for doing it endlessly. That was downright distracting in the 2006 Silver Surfer miniseries (tied to Annihilation). Characters and faces, sometimes soaceships, were copied and pasted again and again, sometimes reversed, sometimes made bigger, sometimes coloured a bit differently. It didn't give bad results, I admit, but once you noticed it it kept pulling you out of the story. It bugs the hell out of me! There was a Batman comic where Gerads used this panel again and again and again...
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Post by rich on Oct 6, 2024 8:53:47 GMT -5
Why the colourist kept changing the positioning of the checkering on the collar, I can't imagine. Makes the laziness even more distracting!!
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Post by rich on Oct 6, 2024 8:56:32 GMT -5
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Post by rich on Oct 6, 2024 8:57:23 GMT -5
I hope he reduces his page rates when doing this...
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Post by rich on Oct 6, 2024 9:37:02 GMT -5
When it comes to comics though, honestly I'm not impressed by a lot of it. It just has a sterile aesthetic to me in many cases. So much looks the same. Especially with colourists modelling the heck out of everything and colouring line art. A lot ends up looking AI generated. Like you said, sterile.
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