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Post by badwolf on Apr 24, 2021 20:34:58 GMT -5
Speaking of the Flash's rogues, how did they come to be known as THE ROGUES? Every hero has rogues. Is it just because they teamed up a lot?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 23:02:16 GMT -5
Romita Spidey covers are my faves....even the Dutch variants pack a wallop....
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 25, 2021 20:12:51 GMT -5
Speaking of the Flash's rogues, how did they come to be known as THE ROGUES? Every hero has rogues. Is it just because they teamed up a lot? Rogues Gallery is an old term, dating back to the Pinkerton Agency, for collections of criminal mug shots. The term had been used in other comics, particularly Batman; but, in the Flash, John Broome (and subsequent writers) and Julie Schwartz had the rogues hanging out together and teaming up, as well as rivals, and it became kind of a fan thing and an official designation. Flash Comics #130 features a story with several of the villains, but not as an official group. #155 ("The Gauntlet of Super-Villains") has them actually team-up. Mirror Master breaks out of jail and goes to the JM Leach tailor shop for a new costume and runs into the others, as Leach has been doing costumes for all of them. In that story, Mirror Master refers to the group as "Flash's Rogues Gallery"... It became a regular thing, after that, as various Rogues would team up. In issue #244, Cary Bates did a story where the Rogues have to try to save Central City from a doomsday F-U, from the Top. In the previous issue, the Top died, as a result of a deteriorating condition, brought on by the centrifugal effect of his powers. Before his death, he planted bombs throughout the city; because, as he put it, if he couldn't rob Central City, then no one could... They then each hit a place that The Top had robbed recently and search for the bomb, while Flash investigates their robbery, only to discover that no money or valuables were taken from any of the places. he eventually tracks the group down, as they have all of the bombs, but must link them in a specific sequence, before their timed detonators go off. Flash uses his super speed to finish the job... Flash #155 was from 1962; so the term was established pretty early on in the Silver Age.
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Post by Farrar on Apr 25, 2021 22:06:48 GMT -5
Speaking of the Flash's rogues, how did they come to be known as THE ROGUES? Every hero has rogues. Is it just because they teamed up a lot? ....Flash #155 was from 1962; so the term was established pretty early on in the Silver Age. Actually Flash #155 is from 1965. I guess #155's assembled baddies had seen the earlier 80-Page Giant #4, published in 1964, and this great Infantino-Anderson pin-up:
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 25, 2021 22:56:04 GMT -5
Speaking of the Flash's rogues, how did they come to be known as THE ROGUES? Every hero has rogues. Is it just because they teamed up a lot? ....Flash #155 was from 1962; so the term was established pretty early on in the Silver Age. Actually Flash #155 is from 1965. I guess #155's assembled baddies had seen the earlier 80-Page Giant #4, published in 1964, and this great Infantino-Anderson pin-up: Yeah, it was #130 that was from '62. Never did exactly understand what the hell was up with Mirror Master's headgear/mask. Closest actual item I can think of to it is boxing sparring headgear and or wrestling headgear/ear protectors. Weird design choice. Carmine used it again, with a bit of redesign, for Marvel's Palladin (though more of an actual helmet).
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Post by MDG on Apr 26, 2021 8:33:55 GMT -5
Speaking of the Flash's rogues, how did they come to be known as THE ROGUES? Every hero has rogues. Is it just because they teamed up a lot? ....Flash #155 was from 1962; so the term was established pretty early on in the Silver Age. Actually Flash #155 is from 1965. I guess #155's assembled baddies had seen the earlier 80-Page Giant #4, published in 1964, and this great Infantino-Anderson pin-up: Every time I see picture like this, I think about the story behind getting a bunch of characters together for a photoshoot. With Villains, it's even weirder. Who's idea was it? Why? To send out with the xmas newsletter? Who paid for that banner and who took off with it after?
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 26, 2021 9:43:58 GMT -5
(...) Who paid for that banner and who took off with it after? They're rogues, nobody paid for it. And Grodd took it, because of course (and it's not like any of those other guys would fight him for it).
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 26, 2021 10:07:39 GMT -5
codystarbuck said, "Never did exactly understand what the hell was up with Mirror Master's headgear/mask. Closest actual item I can think of to it is boxing sparring headgear and or wrestling headgear/ear protectors. Weird design choice. Carmine used it again, with a bit of redesign, for Marvel's Palladin (though more of an actual helmet)."I've been racking my feeble memory trying to think of a generic third-tier Silver Age Marvel villain who also wore a similar helmet. At first I thought it was the Melter or Living Laser, but no, they're not the one. Maybe one of that slew of humpties who were murdered by somebody in a Captain America story? Never read it, just heard of it, and I was more of a DC kid, so I may be just conflating a couple of characters.
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Post by profh0011 on Apr 28, 2021 22:00:07 GMT -5
Romita Spidey covers are my faves....
He was 10 TIMES BETTER than Gil Kane... and 20 times better than Ross Andru.
Although, on those very rare occasions when Romita would INK Ross Andru... it looked 10 times better than anything Gil Kane did, no matter who inked Kane on that series.
Andru & Esposito made me QUIT buying the book, though... especially when Esposito started (in the words of his EDITOR at the time) "spending more time at the race track than at his drawing board".
I have Dave Cockrum to thank for passing on that eye-witness report.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 29, 2021 6:29:50 GMT -5
Hank Pym was always better as Giant-man/ Goliath There I said it.
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Post by brutalis on Apr 29, 2021 8:04:16 GMT -5
Always liked the Goliath design. Red and Blue was good but I really preferred Pym in the Blue and Yellow/Gold.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 29, 2021 10:06:26 GMT -5
Always liked the Goliath design. Red and Blue was good but I really preferred Pym in the Blue and Yellow/Gold. I liked both, but it was the Buscema art that really made Giant-Man/ Goliath look like a force to be reckoned with.
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Post by brutalis on Apr 29, 2021 12:19:19 GMT -5
When it came to spotlighting the growth folks amidst the human sized I immediately envision them best when drawn by (in order) Big John, brother Sal, Ron Wilson, Dave Cockrum. They showed them as powerful along with their towering heights and you would visually see and feel their presence. They truly felt like GIANTS walking around in an undersized world.
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Post by profh0011 on Apr 29, 2021 16:44:05 GMT -5
JACK KIRBY (and Vince Colletta)
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Post by badwolf on Apr 29, 2021 17:23:05 GMT -5
Why does Attuma have rabbit ears on his helmet?
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