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Post by codystarbuck on May 2, 2024 23:44:51 GMT -5
And tie them to detective Nick Carter, President Jimmy Carter and the cast of Carter Country. And to the Backstreet Boy Nick Carter. Don't judge me for knowing that... I once worked on a set of Backstreet Boys video games for Stan Lee Media. Fine, but what about your collection of New Kids on the Block cassettes.....  |
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Post by sunofdarkchild on May 3, 2024 3:54:27 GMT -5
I feel so bad for Gail Simone when it comes to her Nu52 Batgirl book. She had the unenviable task of following immediately from what is still far and away the best Batgirl series ever with BQM's run, and it would be extremely difficult for any writer to match that level of quality under the best of circumstances. Then editorial mandated that Barbara's crippling by the Joker in The Killing Joke be kept around while all of her character growth as Oracle would be erased, creating a 'worst of all worlds' situation and needlessly forcing the series to be darker than it should have been. With the Nu52 already trying to turn every hero into a clone of Batman, this made Batgirl into another inferior Batman-lite book rather than it's own distinct thing. And because DC was hedging its bets, they said that the 'miracle cure' that gave Barbara her legs back could fail if she overexerted herself, making the very existence of the Batgirl comic proof that Barbara was too stupid to live because the last thing she should have been doing was jumping off rooftops and kicking criminals when that could leave her crippled for life all over again.
I don't know if any writer, no matter how great, could have succeeded under those circumstances. Batgirl sold for a while due to hype from the reboot and the return of the first Batgirl, but it was not a good book at all, largely due to factors outside the writer's control.
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Post by driver1980 on May 3, 2024 7:06:06 GMT -5
The first issue of Force Works was published 30 years ago today:  Did anyone read it? I couldn’t get into it. There was something superfluous (possibly the wrong word) about it, and I just didn’t see much point, nor did I gravitate toward it. I think I read just the first two issues. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 3, 2024 7:42:38 GMT -5
I did... I considered it the continuation of Avengers West Coast (Which it was), and of course it tied into to Iron Man pretty closely.... that was the brief period of time that Marvel had an 'Iron Man' group of books.... Force Works, Iron Man, and War Machine.
The original concept was pretty neat (Tony inventing a thing so Scarlet Witch could use her powers to predict issues before they happen), but it quickly got sucked into the horror of the Crossing and making Tony evil... really it's only recovered for brief periods since then.
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Post by tarkintino on May 3, 2024 9:13:28 GMT -5
The first issue of Force Works was published 30 years ago today: Did anyone read it? I couldn’t get into it. There was something superfluous (possibly the wrong word) about it, and I just didn’t see much point, nor did I gravitate toward it. I think I read just the first two issues. The art alone would have been a major turn-off, as well as that Klingon rip-off ship in the background. |
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Post by Calidore on May 3, 2024 9:50:59 GMT -5
The first issue of Force Works was published 30 years ago today: Did anyone read it? I couldn’t get into it. There was something superfluous (possibly the wrong word) about it, and I just didn’t see much point, nor did I gravitate toward it. I think I read just the first two issues. I recently did a big Iron Man read and included Force Works when it came up. I couldn't believe one of the Big Two would allow art that amateurish to be published under their brand. It looked like something out of an 80s B&W boom book. |
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Post by Batflunkie on May 3, 2024 9:54:45 GMT -5
Walker's Forceworks outfit is probably one of my favorite costumes in all of comics and his kinetic shield is all minds of awesome
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 3, 2024 20:44:59 GMT -5
you guys are not wrong the the art was bad, though I love Century.. not sure why, maybe just nostalglia.
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Post by driver1980 on May 20, 2024 7:49:59 GMT -5
I am not a fan of Erik Larsen’s art, but I must admit, I did think he drew Nova very well:  There, I said it. |
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Post by Batflunkie on May 20, 2024 9:15:37 GMT -5
I am not a fan of Erik Larsen’s art, but I must admit, I did think he drew Nova very well: There, I said it. I like Larsen's early art, but as he went along he kind of ended up like Kirby and got complacent drawing |
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Post by kirby101 on May 20, 2024 9:31:37 GMT -5
I like Larsen's early art, but as he went along he kind of ended up like Kirby and got complacent drawing Can't let that pass. Yes Kirby's style changed, and some do not like how it looked later. But even in a late series like Captain Victory, Kirby was anything but complacent. As ever, he concentrated on great story telling. But was still able to deliver brilliant visuals. This is not the work of a complacent artist.
And it bears saying this is the work of a man near 70 after 50 years drawing comics.
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Post by Batflunkie on May 20, 2024 9:36:15 GMT -5
I like Larsen's early art, but as he went along he kind of ended up like Kirby and got complacent drawing Can't let that pass. Yes Kirby's style changed, and some do not like how it looked later. But even in a late series like Captain Victory, Kirby was anything but complacent. As ever, he concentrated on great story telling. But was still able to deliver brilliant visuals. This is not the work of a complacent artist.
Allow me to re-phrase that. His characters got more blocky looking and less natural. I love Kirby as an artist and storyteller, but in some instances, his later stuff was very rough to look at |
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Post by kirby101 on May 20, 2024 11:32:37 GMT -5
Eye of the beholder. When I revisited Kirby's later work, I liked it much more than when I first saw it. The amazing concepts kept coming, and his ability to illustrate those concepts was as strong as ever.
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Post by tartanphantom on May 20, 2024 12:17:10 GMT -5
I like Larsen's early art, but as he went along he kind of ended up like Kirby and got complacent drawing Can't let that pass. Yes Kirby's style changed, and some do not like how it looked later. But even in a late series like Captain Victory, Kirby was anything but complacent. As ever, he concentrated on great story telling. But was still able to deliver brilliant visuals. This is not the work of a complacent artist.
And it bears saying this is the work of a man near 70 after 50 years drawing comics.
I concur. And let's not forget the fact that although his health was beginning to fail, the Kirby "crackle" still delivered.
My biggest beef with Kirby was the sometimes lack of cohesiveness in his plotting (on jobs when he was actually scripting the story in addition to doing the art), but I was never, ever disappointed with his artwork.
...and Captain Victory seldom gets the praise it deserves.
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Post by kirby101 on May 20, 2024 12:39:38 GMT -5
I concur. And let's not forget the fact that although his health was beginning to fail, the Kirby "crackle" still delivered.
My biggest beef with Kirby was the sometimes lack of cohesiveness in his plotting (on jobs when he was actually scripting the story in addition to doing the art), but I was never, ever disappointed with his artwork.
...and Captain Victory seldom gets the praise it deserves.
I don't think it was his plotting, which was pretty amazing considering the large arcs he envisioned in The Fourth World and The Eternals. But it was he was his own editor. Kirby rarely looked back, and even though he knew where he was going, there were times he could have used an editor to point out where things didn't connect. There were also times where publisher interference made him change directions or do things that he hadn't planned. |
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