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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Oct 30, 2015 17:27:06 GMT -5
Deffo not Scott Morse : Scot Morse is greta but also way more cute in a way. It really looks like some Eric Canete (great artist!). The more I look at it, the more I realy really enjoy that spidey panel, but the coloring is pretty bad.
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 30, 2015 17:53:12 GMT -5
That Spider-Man "drawing" is the most nauseating thing I've seen in ages. Those of you defending it, well, you're entitled to your opinion but don't expect me to ever take you seriously in any art-related discussion again.
Cei-U! I summon the Visine!
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 30, 2015 18:29:33 GMT -5
It's cartoony and distorted, but its consequent in its own logic. I didn't say I like it though, but in a thead entitled "Worst drawn comicbook panel of all time", it's really out of place and reeks of fanboy hate I'm sure 95% of early 90ies marvel titles are filled from start to finish with worse than this. Kind of looks like Scott Morse - I know he's done some short mainstream projects for his buddies, but I can't imagine he'd come to Marvel to crap out assembly line Spider-man comics. And as I've said before I'd be quite happy if comic art would move towards the more abstract side of the spectrum - I always look at the interplay between comics and visual art, and the whole thing seems fairly stagnant and boring right now. Plus it's fun to see you guys freak out and gnash your teeth whenever anything is even remotely off-proportion. Laugh though ye may, there's a difference between the lack of proportion in, say, Jack Kirby and Will Eisner, and the examples heretofore provided, each of which exhibits a fundamental misunderstanding of the best way to tell a story in pictures. I'm sure I speak for many when I say that if you want to break the rules, you have to know and understand the rules first. One of the paradoxes of teaching writing is that every example you use to illustrate the best in writing tends to violate the tenets of good writing. However, you have to learn to walk before you run and all that. Or at least you used to.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 30, 2015 18:46:06 GMT -5
That Spider-Man "drawing" is the most nauseating thing I've seen in ages. Those of you defending it, well, you're entitled to your opinion but don't expect me to ever take you seriously in any art-related discussion again. Cei-U! I summon the Visine! Touche' Cei-U
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Oct 30, 2015 19:24:03 GMT -5
Kind of looks like Scott Morse - I know he's done some short mainstream projects for his buddies, but I can't imagine he'd come to Marvel to crap out assembly line Spider-man comics. And as I've said before I'd be quite happy if comic art would move towards the more abstract side of the spectrum - I always look at the interplay between comics and visual art, and the whole thing seems fairly stagnant and boring right now. Plus it's fun to see you guys freak out and gnash your teeth whenever anything is even remotely off-proportion. Laugh though ye may, there's a difference between the lack of proportion in, say, Jack Kirby and Will Eisner, and the examples heretofore provided, each of which exhibits a fundamental misunderstanding of the best way to tell a story in pictures. I'm sure I speak for many when I say that if you want to break the rules, you have to know and understand the rules first. One of the paradoxes of teaching writing is that every example you use to illustrate the best in writing tends to violate the tenets of good writing. However, you have to learn to walk before you run and all that. Or at least you used to. Which set of rules? This isn't traditional comic book storytelling, but aren't the filmic influences pretty obvious? Seems like the artist is "using" a fish eye lens techniqye to compress a large amount of er.. "Lady-Stilt-Man" (Ha!) into a small space as well as creating both a setting that's both open AND claustrophobic by bending the buildings in towards the center. Honestly, it's a pretty cool trick, and an effect that would be beyond 99% of comic artists. (I mean, yeah, Eisner probably could.) And the upside-down inset panel isn't something I can remember seeing before ever - pretty clever, and kinda funny. I'm not sure the Spider-man figure quite works - I think the artist is trying to convey extreme back-and-forth motion by elongating and distorting the Spider-man figure and I agree they didn't quite pull it off - but conveying motion in static panels is absolutely the hardest thing a comic artist has to do, and I've certainly seen failures before. But I think the rest of the drawing is pretty brilliant.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 30, 2015 20:22:35 GMT -5
I've never really thought using cinematic shots like that really worked... it just makes ones head hurt.
I do like stylized stuff sometimes (I'm one of the few here that actually LIKE Ramos), but this one is just bad, IMO. That's easily the worst drawn Spidey I've ever seen.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 30, 2015 22:58:11 GMT -5
Laugh though ye may, there's a difference between the lack of proportion in, say, Jack Kirby and Will Eisner, and the examples heretofore provided, each of which exhibits a fundamental misunderstanding of the best way to tell a story in pictures. I'm sure I speak for many when I say that if you want to break the rules, you have to know and understand the rules first. One of the paradoxes of teaching writing is that every example you use to illustrate the best in writing tends to violate the tenets of good writing. However, you have to learn to walk before you run and all that. Or at least you used to. Which set of rules? This isn't traditional comic book storytelling, but aren't the filmic influences pretty obvious? Seems like the artist is "using" a fish eye lens techniqye to compress a large amount of er.. "Lady-Stilt-Man" (Ha!) into a small space as well as creating both a setting that's both open AND claustrophobic by bending the buildings in towards the center. Honestly, it's a pretty cool trick, and an effect that would be beyond 99% of comic artists. (I mean, yeah, Eisner probably could.) And the upside-down inset panel isn't something I can remember seeing before ever - pretty clever, and kinda funny. I'm not sure the Spider-man figure quite works - I think the artist is trying to convey extreme back-and-forth motion by elongating and distorting the Spider-man figure and I agree they didn't quite pull it off - but conveying motion in static panels is absolutely the hardest thing a comic artist has to do, and I've certainly seen failures before. But I think the rest of the drawing is pretty brilliant. 1) "Which set of rules?"The rules that start with, "Tell the story." When form interferes with, rather than complements, content, you're headed for trouble. 2) "Aren't the filmic influences pretty obvious?"
Er, no. Doesn't look like it's being shot through a fish-eye lens, and if it is meant to be a view through one, the artist failed at pulling it off. Hey, even if this were meant to be a view through a window or a camera lens that distorted the view, no lens would do all that awful stuff to Spider-Man's body. Every time I look at it (which is now about a hundred times more than I would have ever planned to), his right (I think) leg looks like it belongs to The Thin Man; his leftt forearm looks like it's growing out of his head and seems to be trailing the rest of his body by about 20 feet; his head rivals John Merrick's for misshapenness; it looks as if his left arm's been amputated at the shoulder; his right arm looks as if it's literally been through the wringer; he has no ass; and that left leg is like an oil slick. No dimension to the figure, no sense of weight; no sense that the various parts are an organic whole. 3) "I'm not sure the Spider-man figure quite works..."
I tend to agree. 4) "I think the rest of the drawing is pretty brilliant."
I tend to disagree. Confusing, cluttered, unsuccessful at creating any of the possibilities you raise. If we give the artist points for trying, experimentingm etc., and give him the benefit of the doubt b/c maybe he was young and inexperienced, that's fine. But we have to remove points from whoever was his editior for not saying, "Nice try, but no cigar." 5) In the long run, whatever floats yer boat, of course. I mean, I find something oddly compelling and David Lynchian about some of John Forte's Legion artwork from the antedeluvian days.
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Post by the4thpip on Oct 31, 2015 3:53:19 GMT -5
Laugh though ye may, there's a difference between the lack of proportion in, say, Jack Kirby and Will Eisner, and the examples heretofore provided, each of which exhibits a fundamental misunderstanding of the best way to tell a story in pictures. I'm sure I speak for many when I say that if you want to break the rules, you have to know and understand the rules first. One of the paradoxes of teaching writing is that every example you use to illustrate the best in writing tends to violate the tenets of good writing. However, you have to learn to walk before you run and all that. Or at least you used to. Which set of rules? This isn't traditional comic book storytelling, but aren't the filmic influences pretty obvious? Seems like the artist is "using" a fish eye lens techniqye to compress a large amount of er.. "Lady-Stilt-Man" (Ha!) into a small space as well as creating both a setting that's both open AND claustrophobic by bending the buildings in towards the center. Honestly, it's a pretty cool trick, and an effect that would be beyond 99% of comic artists. (I mean, yeah, Eisner probably could.) And the upside-down inset panel isn't something I can remember seeing before ever - pretty clever, and kinda funny. I'm not sure the Spider-man figure quite works - I think the artist is trying to convey extreme back-and-forth motion by elongating and distorting the Spider-man figure and I agree they didn't quite pull it off - but conveying motion in static panels is absolutely the hardest thing a comic artist has to do, and I've certainly seen failures before. But I think the rest of the drawing is pretty brilliant. Great analysis of the panel. Completely agree.
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Post by the4thpip on Oct 31, 2015 4:19:19 GMT -5
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Post by Confessor on Oct 31, 2015 7:37:19 GMT -5
Wouldn't Stilt-Lady been more concise of a name? Definitely. On the other hand, if they wanted to make a new, gender-swapped version of a villain, aren't there a lot of less lame ones than Stilt-Man? Hush your mouth! Stilt-Man is all kinds of awesome!
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Post by the4thpip on Oct 31, 2015 9:54:42 GMT -5
Definitely. On the other hand, if they wanted to make a new, gender-swapped version of a villain, aren't there a lot of less lame ones than Stilt-Man? Hush your mouth! Stilt-Man is all kinds of awesome! I have been re-reading classic Daredevil comics, and I keep experiencing cognitive dissonance whenever Stilt-Man is treated as an actual menace. Stilt-Man: "Behold my deadly powers!" (legs get really long) Everybody: "Whoa! Run for your lives!""
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 31, 2015 10:12:18 GMT -5
Definitely. On the other hand, if they wanted to make a new, gender-swapped version of a villain, aren't there a lot of less lame ones than Stilt-Man? Hush your mouth! Stilt-Man is all kinds of awesome! Now that it think about it Lady Stiletto would be menacing even outside closed doors.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Oct 31, 2015 17:47:00 GMT -5
That Spider-Man "drawing" is the most nauseating thing I've seen in ages. Those of you defending it, well, you're entitled to your opinion but don't expect me to ever take you seriously in any art-related discussion again. Cei-U! I summon the Visine! Fair enough, I don't take seriously any of your analysis of any art dated post 1984
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Oct 31, 2015 17:53:25 GMT -5
So it is indeed Eric Canete as I thought... And the colors really made the drawing more confusing IMHO. I also think it's quite heavy on stylization, but really, it's obvious the artist has skills and can draw, it would really be stuborn to deny that, which is why starting a "worst panel ever" topic with this is fairly hypocritical and says more about the poster than the actual panel. When I think ugly panels, I usualy think Jim Lee... Is there any panel on this page that isn't just an ugly mess of nonsense shortcuts? :
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Nov 1, 2015 0:48:46 GMT -5
Then I guess no topic of 'worst ever' should ever include Rob Liefeld because no matter how ridiculous his drawing is, it's still obvious he has some skills and can draw. Are we now going to defend panels of women standing in a way that breaks their backs because that's a stylistic choice?
If you want to see exaggeration done right, check out certain anime like One Piece. If you want to see stylization done right, check out something like Bill Sienkiewicz on New Mutants. At best this is a depiction of a skeleton that has been shattered.
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