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Post by berkley on Jul 10, 2015 23:15:01 GMT -5
I thought Al Milgrom's 70s art was solid enough, though a little pedestrian, and his inks over Starlin were good at that time as well. I don't know what happened, but in the 80s both his inks and his artwork look bad - I think at least part of that might have been due to the different paper and printing/colouring processes Marvel started using in the 80s.
One question: sorry for being dense, but I'm still not clear on the MAD/EC thing: if I vote for MAD, does that mean specifically the post-EC MAD of the mid-60s onwards? Or to put it another way, if I vote EC, does that include the early MAD issues they published?
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 10, 2015 23:22:20 GMT -5
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Post by Phil Maurice on Jul 10, 2015 23:45:04 GMT -5
. . .if I vote for MAD, does that mean specifically the post-EC MAD of the mid-60s onwards? Or to put it another way, if I vote EC, does that include the early MAD issues they published? The general consensus seems to be that EC (at the very least) includes MAD up until Gaines suspends all other comics publication, Kurtzman exits, and Feldstein is brought back in to run the ship, around mid-1956. If you use this as a line of demarcation, you should be safe.  |
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Post by berkley on Jul 10, 2015 23:54:39 GMT -5
. . .if I vote for MAD, does that mean specifically the post-EC MAD of the mid-60s onwards? Or to put it another way, if I vote EC, does that include the early MAD issues they published? The general consensus seems to be that EC (at the very least) includes MAD up until Gaines suspends all other comics publication, Kurtzman exits, and Feldstein is brought back in to run the ship, around mid-1956. If you use this as a line of demarcation, you should be safe. Thanks, that makes it easier. Didn't realise or remember that the change took place so early. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 11, 2015 0:34:10 GMT -5
. . .if I vote for MAD, does that mean specifically the post-EC MAD of the mid-60s onwards? Or to put it another way, if I vote EC, does that include the early MAD issues they published? The general consensus seems to be that EC (at the very least) includes MAD up until Gaines suspends all other comics publication, Kurtzman exits, and Feldstein is brought back in to run the ship, around mid-1956. If you use this as a line of demarcation, you should be safe. The old curmudgeon is confused about this "general consensus". We already mentioned how William Gaines sold the publication in the early 60s and how the Kinney Corp (soon to be Warners) got it by the mid-60s. But go to the GCD website, look up Mad and see what the actual indicia said as to who the publisher was
Its an EC publication. In fact, its EC up to about #203 in the early 1980s. Sometimes there is no publisher listed but in the vast majority up to #203 its EC.
Marvel has gone thru several different owners just like EC has. Its still Marvel Comics if the indicia says so and that's how EC should be treated as well
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Post by Phil Maurice on Jul 11, 2015 1:05:56 GMT -5
The old curmudgeon is confused about this "general consensus". We already mentioned how William Gaines sold the publication in the early 60s and how the Kinney Corp (soon to be Warners) got it by the mid-60s. But go to the GCD website, look up Mad and see what the actual indicia said as to who the publisher was. Its an EC publication. In fact, its EC up to about #203 in the early 1980s. Sometimes there is no publisher listed but in the vast majority up to #203 its EC. All true and apologies for causing confusion. Indiciae are valuable tools for determining publication dates and such, but they ultimately speak to financial holdings and other banal esoterics that have nothing to do with a particular work's place in the pop culture pantheon.
MAD is an EC book, both figuratively and literally throughout Kurtzman's tenure. With his departure, there is a sea-change. Major talent leaves with him. New, extraordinary talent gradually fills (and overflows) the void. What was EC becomes MAD, solely and immutably.
You can shift the goalposts out a few years to '61 or '63 to accommodate the signing of a (yawn) contract, but why bother? The Kurtzman/Feldstein editorial line seems much more compelling. |
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Post by MDG on Jul 11, 2015 12:58:52 GMT -5
You can shift the goalposts out a few years to '61 or '63 to accommodate the signing of a (yawn) contract, but why bother? The Kurtzman/Feldstein editorial line seems much more compelling. And by the time Feldstein takes over is it even a comic anymore? |
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 11, 2015 21:30:53 GMT -5
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 11, 2015 21:46:07 GMT -5
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Post by MatthewP on Jul 12, 2015 17:40:58 GMT -5
1) E.C. - Just some of the best talent ever turning out great books which had a huge effect on the industry, and are still influential today.
2) Dell - Such a huge variety of books over a long stretch of time. Definitely filled a big niche.
3) Archie - Headlined by an iconic character which is among the longest running in comics history. Filled another special niche in the industry.
4) Fawcett - Mosty for another big name character: Captain Marvel, but with a pretty good bench (Captain Midnight's my favorite).
5) Harvey - Casper, Richie Rich, Joe Palooka - so many great books here! Another big niche filler.
Hated to leave out Fiction House, which is one of my personal favorites, but I felt these 5 really deserved to be called the "best".
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Post by sacorn on Jul 12, 2015 23:19:29 GMT -5
Going to have to go with those I'm most familiar with and that had the biggest impact on me:
1. IPC/Fleetway 2000AD, Whizzer & Chips, Buster - some of the greatest memories from my childhood was collecting these gems. 2000AD in my opinion is one of the most important anthologies of all time.
2. Dark Horse Already mentioned better above, great output of both mainstream and not so. Managed to get top talent and develop original ideas.
3. Image Brought genuine competition to the big two.
4. Kitchen Sink First real exposure to something out of the ordinary superhero fare. Crow, Oink, Snarf, Atomic City...
5. Mad Who can really argue against Alfred's longevity - 60years and running? Good variety of humour and contributors.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jul 13, 2015 19:23:28 GMT -5
I also went with the ones I read the most, that had the biggest impact on me. I suggested some of the underground publishers that are on the list, but couldn't decide between them, so left them out.
1. Mad - taught me and my whole generation an irreverent attitude toward life.
2. Warren - good stories and art for two decades.
3. Charlton - low-budget publisher that had a couple of periods where they were a strong #3.
4. Skywald - the "Horror-Mood" should have lasted longer.
5. Archie - consistent humor with iconic characters that still managed to stay relatively current.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Jul 14, 2015 5:30:48 GMT -5
If Im allowed to throw another hat in the ring, I would almost have to include Frew, the Aussie Publisher of Phantom comics for the past 50 or 60 years. They are widely collected by plenty of non-comic people down here, much like Commando Comics are. 2000 or so biweekly issues in a row says something.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 14, 2015 5:58:32 GMT -5
Just Marking off my spot. Hey Shax, is there a deadline for this, or is it a 'until it peeters out' sorta thing?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 12:13:42 GMT -5
The next in our CCF Poll series, which was the BEST of the non-Marvel and DC publishers in classic comic book history? The RULES: 1) Reply to this thread with your Top 5 choices. Your #1 choice will be worth 5 votes, your #2 choice will be worth 4 votes, etc. wildfire2099 has generously offered to tabulate the final results. 2) There is no specific criteria for "BEST". Judge on whatever basis you like, but be sure to provide an explanation for why you chose the publishers you chose. 3) However, you must judge based upon works published ten or more years ago, as per the definition of a "classic comic" as determined by this community. 4) You must choose from the following publishers: Aardvark/Vanaheim Acclaim ACG Ait/Planet Lar Ajax/Farrell All-American Antarctic Press Apex Novelties Apple Archie / MLJ Atlas (1970s) Avatar Broadway Centaur Charlton Checker Chesler Comico Crossgen Dark Horse Defiant Dell Drawn and Quarterly EC Eclipse Eerie Fantagraphics Fawcett Fiction House First Fox Gold Key Harris Harvey Humanoids IDW IPC/Fleetway Image Kitchen Sink Last Gasp Lev Gleeson Mad Malibu Oni PC/Pacific Comics Print Mint Prize/Crestwood Quality Renegade Rip-Off Skywald Slave Labor Standard Starblaze Top Shelf Topps Tower Tundra Valiant Warren WildStorm This list was generated based upon feedback offered from this community. Any votes for a publisher not on this list will not be counted. Voting concludes at 11:59pm EST on July 15th. Happy voting! Just Marking off my spot. Hey Shax, is there a deadline for this, or is it a 'until it peeters out' sorta thing? Already answered in op. -M |
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