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Post by shaxper on Jul 8, 2015 20:31:52 GMT -5
Mad is the last vestige of EC. It started as an EC comic and was the only EC book to survive via its transition to a magazine. I can't see a good reason for it to be separate from EC. Because you didn't raise this objection during the week in which members were helping to generate and scrutinize this list. Others felt it did belong as a separate entity, so that's how we're counting it. Thus, if you choose to vote for Mad/EC, your vote will not be counted. You'll have to vote for one or the other. Again, you're a week late to this party. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 8, 2015 20:33:08 GMT -5
Mad is the last vestige of EC. It started as an EC comic and was the only EC book to survive via its transition to a magazine. I can't see a good reason for it to be separate from EC. Because you didn't raise this objection during the week in which members were helping to generate and scrutinize this list. Others felt it did belong as a separate entity, so that's how we're counting it. Thus, if you choose to vote for Mad/EC, your vote will not be counted. You'll have to vote for one or the other. Again, you're a week late to this party. I'm okay with my vote not counting. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 8, 2015 21:05:58 GMT -5
1) First!-- In my opinion, First had the overall strongest line-up of books in the history of comics. A ridiculous level of talent both established and new.
2) EC-- The finest collection of artists ever to work for a single publisher at any given period of comics.
3) Fantagraphics-- Basically figured out a way to make extremely personal and often difficult artistic statements into a commercial success. You could make an argument that Fantagraphics output, particularly Love and Rockets, shifted the cultural paradigm of what comics stories could be and how they could be recieved as literature.
4) Humanoids-- Also blew the doors off what comics could be, but more in a craft sense with artists like Bilal, Moebius, Drullet, etc telling mind-blowing sci-fi and fantasy stories. Gave the relatively conversative N American market an idea of what mature comics could be that wasn't underground diatribes against straight society or porn with Metal Hurlant/Heavy Metal.
5) Dark Horse-- In my opinion, Mike Richardson is the most underestimated genius in comics. He's managed to develop a ridiculous stable of talent and properties through careful cultivation, starting out by using licensed properties to subsized creator-owned work by some of the best talent in the history of comics. He's also the guy who kickstarted the pipeline into Hollywood at a time when comic properties had lost their luster. No one really champions him, but I think he should be considered among the smartest, savviest, and best publishers in the history of comics.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 8, 2015 22:28:53 GMT -5
Mad is the last vestige of EC. It started as an EC comic and was the only EC book to survive via its transition to a magazine. I can't see a good reason for it to be separate from EC. Because you didn't raise this objection during the week in which members were helping to generate and scrutinize this list. Others felt it did belong as a separate entity, so that's how we're counting it. Thus, if you choose to vote for Mad/EC, your vote will not be counted. You'll have to vote for one or the other. Again, you're a week late to this party. So if we didn't participate (or, in my case, even know about) some earlier thread, we should just sit down and shut up? Fine. I won't be responding to any more polls then. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 8, 2015 22:35:23 GMT -5
Here's mine (also marking off what I recorded):
1) Image - Like'em or not, they completely changed the industry.
2) Dark Horse - Perfected the art of licensed comics, IMO, and has plenty of other stuff
3) Fawcett - Arguably one of the big two before Marvel
4) Valiant - best non-big two superhero universe ever
5) Crossgen - wonderfully expirmental... too bad they did too much too fast.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 8, 2015 22:35:30 GMT -5
An uncorrected error is still an error. Separating Mad from EC is an artificial choice. What's the factual basis for this decision?
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 8, 2015 22:43:37 GMT -5
So if we didn't participate (or, in my case, even know about) some earlier thread, we should just sit down and shut up? Fine. I won't be responding to any more polls then. I don't mean to speak for Shax, but I'm sure that's not at all his intention. He's probably just reacting a bit more grumpily than he intended.. it IS true that there was a discussion thread about this poll that was up for a couple weeks.. then a second one specifically to discuss the main issue that came up during that discussion (counting Epic and Vertigo or not). I think he's just not wanting to change stuff after it's all set up... good ideas or not. Perhaps the issue then is that the 'set up' needs to be either better emphasized, longer, or perhaps both... I don't recall that part. I think I can speak for everyone when I say your opinion is greatly valued.  Slam, too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 22:46:05 GMT -5
1. Fawcett
2. Archie
3. Valiant
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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 8, 2015 22:52:05 GMT -5
An uncorrected error is still an error. Separating Mad from EC is an artificial choice. What's the factual basis for this decision? I'm guessing because it's been technically published by DC for 45+ years due to company mergers, but the perception has been that Mad is own thing, so we don't necessarily associate it with DC. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 9, 2015 0:02:10 GMT -5
An uncorrected error is still an error. Separating Mad from EC is an artificial choice. What's the factual basis for this decision? I'm guessing because it's been technically published by DC for 45+ years due to company mergers, but the perception has been that Mad is own thing, so we don't necessarily associate it with DC. Mad was sold to the Kinney corporation in the mid 1960s. By that time it was fully developed and was an American cultural icon. So all of its best years (its first 13 or more) was when it was an EC publication. Under Kinney/Warners it never deviated from its formula and slowly its circulation began to diminish.
Its most important and influential years was under the EC banner
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Post by Confessor on Jul 9, 2015 6:50:55 GMT -5
#1. Mad - Incredibly important, both to the history of comics (and particularly humour comics) and to me personally. The older I get, the more and more I realise that my entire world view has been massively influenced by reading issues of MAD as a pre-teen and a teen. #2. EC - They had great titles like Vault of Horror, Tales From the Crypt, Weird Science, Weird Fantasy, Shock SuspenStories, Piracy etc, and incredible talent working for them like Al Williamson, Joe Orlando, Al Feldstein, Wally Wood, Harvey Kurtzman etc. #3. IPC/Fleetway - With great '70s and '80s titles like 2000AD, Scream! and Battle Picture Weekly (which included Charley's War, probably the greatest British comic ever), they had to be on my list. #4. Dark Horse - I have to include this publisher because of all the Star Wars comics that they put out, several hundred of which I have in my collection. I never really delved into anything else they published, but for keeping the SW flame alive, when nobody else was, they have to be in my Top 5. #5. Image - They published the first two series of Astro City (one of my absolute favourite comics of all-time), the various Desperados minis and Gen13 (which I loved back in the day, but find to be really poor now). ...and my special, none countable #6 pick would be... ACG - Because Unknown Worlds and Forbidden Worlds were often every bit as enjoyable as the mystery/horror/sci-fi comics Marvel published in the Silver Age and, well...because they published Herbie Popnecker, of course! Honourable mentions go to Caliber Press and the UK's DC Thompson, both of which I should've remembered to nominate in the earlier thread.  |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 9, 2015 7:31:53 GMT -5
1. Dark Horse: Hellboy has to be the best comic ever, so that would make this an instant win but there is also Dark Horse Presents and a slew of others that are just fantastic books.
2. EC: Some of the best horror comics ever
3. Gold Key: They gave us Don Glut, Len Wein,and Mark Evanier, Star Trek comics as good as the show and Space Family Robinson.
4. Pacific Comics: It's the Rocketeer, come on that was great.
5.Dell: All I have to say is that I love Kona the Monarch of Monster Isle, but they also put out some great adaptations as well and their Tarzan was great.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 9, 2015 7:46:49 GMT -5
#1. Mad - Incredibly important, both to the history of comics (and particularly humour comics) and to me personally. The older I get, the more and more I realise that my entire world view has been massively influenced by reading issues of MAD as a pre-teen and a teen. Ditto. Well said, Confessor, and I am heartened to hear that MAD had the same effect internationally as it did here in the USA. |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Jul 9, 2015 8:12:42 GMT -5
1. First Comics: Grimjack, Jon Sable, and the Dude on Nexus
2. IPC: 2000AD
3. DC Thompson: Commando Comics my comic-loathing friends just happen to adore these, a phenomenon when I was a kid
4. Mad: Still the only comic I ever see in a supermarket here(well that and Sonic)
5. Classics illustrated: (who published these ?) Still have a dedicated following. I loved these as a kid.
This is obviously a deeply personal list, dredging up ancient memories, God I love you guys...ummm big ups to Charlton too, they gave me Peter Cannon and the Cheyenne Kid, both of whom I deeply love although I cant remember a single story, and havent read any of in...hmmm...a couple of years...ahem.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Jul 9, 2015 8:15:06 GMT -5
#1. Mad - Incredibly important, both to the history of comics (and particularly humour comics) and to me personally. The older I get, the more and more I realise that my entire world view has been massively influenced by reading issues of MAD as a pre-teen and a teen. Ditto. Well said, Confessor, and I am heartened to hear that MAD had the same effect internationally as it did here in the USA. Mate, Mad was almost a religious experience for me as a youngster, library period at school was an all in brawl for Mad and Look and Learn(for the Trigan Empire strip). |
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Slam, too.
