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Post by shaxper on Nov 28, 2014 23:11:46 GMT -5
Not exactly. The comic itself, i.e., the physical paper-and-ink artifact, is our focus, not necessarily the content This helps to clarify A LOT. Thanks  |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 28, 2014 23:23:39 GMT -5
Hurrah! I've been wanting to participate in this for ages! Looking forward to getting in amongst it! Yay, Pol is here! |
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Post by Crimebuster on Nov 28, 2014 23:26:01 GMT -5
No one said we cannot pick specific issues from TPBs, though, RIGHT? Just cannot list an entire TPB or graphic novel, correct? Not exactly. The comic itself, i.e., the physical paper-and-ink artifact, is our focus, not necessarily the content. X-Men #40, for example (the one with the alien-built Frankenstein robot), might make somebody's list because it was the first comic they ever bought, even though in hindsight they recognize the content sucks. If, conversely, they've only ever encountered it in the Omnibus edition, they could not cite in on their list, even if they inexplicably believe it's the epitome of sophisticated storytelling. Cei-U! See the difference? Just one more bit of clarification please on this if you don't mind. When we're talking about "the comic itself, i.e., the physical paper-and-ink artifact, is our focus, not necessarily the content," how specific are we getting with this? I have a comic that holds a lot of personal nostalgia for me, but it's just this specific copy that I own. Using your example, I see that it's one thing to say "I love the story in X-Men #40" and another thing to say "I love X-Men #40 the comic, even though the story stinks." But it seems to me a third thing to say "I love this specific copy of X-Men #40 even though I don't care about the story or anybody else's copy of it either. It's just this one copy here that means something to me." |
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 29, 2014 0:04:44 GMT -5
The answer, Scott, is that all three of those rationales are legitimate reasons to include a specific comic on your list.
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Does that help?
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Post by coke & comics on Nov 29, 2014 0:40:04 GMT -5
No one said we cannot pick specific issues from TPBs, though, RIGHT? Just cannot list an entire TPB or graphic novel, correct? Not exactly. The comic itself, i.e., the physical paper-and-ink artifact, is our focus, not necessarily the content. X-Men #40, for example (the one with the alien-built Frankenstein robot), might make somebody's list because it was the first comic they ever bought, even though in hindsight they recognize the content sucks. If, conversely, they've only ever encountered it in the Omnibus edition, they could not cite in on their list, even if they inexplicably believe it's the epitome of sophisticated storytelling. Cei-U! See the difference? Blast. I thought I understood everything until this post. Are you saying that if I want to pick X-Men #40, I have to have read the original comic, rather than read the story contained wherein!?! That... would change everything. EDIT: Suppose I would love to take an original copy of X-Men #40 to the proverbial island, assuming somebody would be willing to hand me one. |
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Post by foxley on Nov 29, 2014 0:41:21 GMT -5
I'm in, although this will take some serious cogitation.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 29, 2014 1:44:05 GMT -5
The answer, Scott, is that all three of those rationales are legitimate reasons to include a specific comic on your list. Cei-U! Does that help? Interesting twist. Don't know that I'll get the same vicarious thrill from reading someone else's list if their rationale for loving a book isn't something I'd be able to experience myself by picking up a copy. That's always half the joy for me -- using others' experience to inform the direction that my reading/collecting takes next. If Scott Harris recommends a book because he and his brother did a crossword in it one Christmas when they were children, that isn't something I'd be able to relate to if I went out and picked up another copy of that book (or even the same one). |
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Post by Action Ace on Nov 29, 2014 2:29:55 GMT -5
Sorry to shift the topic, but do we have any update on the restoration of the old Classic Comics Christmas threads?
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Post by Confessor on Nov 29, 2014 4:55:16 GMT -5
Using your example, I see that it's one thing to say "I love the story in X-Men #40" and another thing to say "I love X-Men #40 the comic, even though the story stinks." But it seems to me a third thing to say "I love this specific copy of X-Men #40 even though I don't care about the story or anybody else's copy of it either. It's just this one copy here that means something to me." The answer, Scott, is that all three of those rationales are legitimate reasons to include a specific comic on your list. And I assume that picking X-Men #40 because I have a nostalgic connection to it and because it's a kick-ass story is OK too, right? I mean, the quality of content can be be a legitimate rationale for picking said comic as well, yes? I joined the old CBR forum in 2007, I believe and so I missed the '05 Classic Comics Christmas. Been wanting to have a crack at this theme for ages now. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 6:57:11 GMT -5
Not exactly. The comic itself, i.e., the physical paper-and-ink artifact, is our focus, not necessarily the content. X-Men #40, for example (the one with the alien-built Frankenstein robot), might make somebody's list because it was the first comic they ever bought, even though in hindsight they recognize the content sucks. If, conversely, they've only ever encountered it in the Omnibus edition, they could not cite in on their list, even if they inexplicably believe it's the epitome of sophisticated storytelling. Cei-U! See the difference? Blast. I thought I understood everything until this post. Are you saying that if I want to pick X-Men #40, I have to have read the original comic, rather than read the story contained wherein!?! That... would change everything. EDIT: Suppose I would love to take an original copy of X-Men #40 to the proverbial island, assuming somebody would be willing to hand me one. Yeah, pre-coffee me is still slightly confused. If we can only participate if we have an original copy of a comic book, well, that's going to heavily limit my participation in this.  |
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Post by Paradox on Nov 29, 2014 8:22:23 GMT -5
I see nowhere in the rules where you actually have to own the comic.  Some of mine will be ones I never owned, but I read in a unique situation. |
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Post by Paradox on Nov 29, 2014 8:27:32 GMT -5
Small clarification needed...
"I also PMed him and asked about 80/100 page giants, Marvel Special Editions, Annuals that are reprint collections and Treasury Editions and he said they were all acceptable too"
Are those eligible AS single issues or only as a source for what was originally a single issue? Say, the first Treasury Edition from Marvel with Spider-Man. Does that count as one as a whole, or do I have to pick a story from it?
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 29, 2014 9:15:10 GMT -5
Blast. I thought I understood everything until this post. Are you saying that if I want to pick X-Men #40, I have to have read the original comic, rather than read the story contained wherein!?! That... would change everything. EDIT: Suppose I would love to take an original copy of X-Men #40 to the proverbial island, assuming somebody would be willing to hand me one. Yeah, pre-coffee me is still slightly confused. If we can only participate if we have an original copy of a comic book, well, that's going to heavily limit my participation in this. The physical book is what he's talking about , but if you don't own it it can be the particular story. Example: I own Avengers #2 and also own Marvel Superheroes that has a reprint of that comic with other stories included. I can choose the Marvel superheroes book If I want to. Then I can explain that it was my favorite because of ALL the material contained therein. This is the book I grew up with before I purchased the original  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 9:16:55 GMT -5
Yeah, but a lot of my first comics were read in TPBs. Some of my most cherished stories are in TPBs. Or graphic novels.
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Post by DubipR on Nov 29, 2014 9:26:35 GMT -5
Yeah, but a lot of my first comics were read in TPBs. Some of my most cherished stories are in TPBs. Or graphic novels. As long as the material matches the criteria, I would say you're okay. I don't own issues of Tales From the Crypt, but I have reprints up the ying-yang and am considering using one of the stories in an issue on my list. |
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