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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 20, 2024 19:51:16 GMT -5
After 30 years, a bankruptcy, lawsuits, copyright searches, end-run purchases and distractions, Neil Gaiman and Mark Buckingham finally returned to complete Miracleman: The Silver Age, after publishing the first two installments, at Eclipse, in 1992 and 1993 (released one year apart, thanks to Eclipse's cash flow problems). I loved the original Alan Moore run and was excited when Gaiman took over; but, even then, I found The golden Age to be a little mixed. Gaiman explored the world after Miracleman and Miracle Woman have remade society, eliminating all other government and providing basic needs to the populace, with themselves as god-kings. Gaiman took us through this world, to see what had changed and how people passed the time. There was some intriguing stuff, like Dr Gargunza reborn as an android, with his consciousness, which then tries to break its programming and escape the environs in which it exists, longside multiple Andy Warhols and other figures revived from the dead. It was rather episodic, though, and lacked the grand conflict that permeated Moore's run. However, there was an intriguing pice, at the end of each issue, where you saw Miracleman launch a probe into hyperspae, where it located the melded bodies of Dickie Dauntless/Young Miracleman. It then takes a tissue sample and returns; and, at the end, we see Young Miracleman reborn. The Silver Age picks up the story of Dauntless waking up in this new world, having only memories of Gargunza's fictional mental conditioning, with its superhero fantasies. He now has to face a world where Miracleman is a god, and has a goddess at his side, and Kid Miracleman grew up to become corrupt and twisted by power, until Miracleman trapped him by killing the Johnny Bates form, preventing KM from being released from Hyperspace. Dauntless suffers culture shock and runs away from Mt Olympus.
The Marvel series continues the story, and Dickie travels to the Himalayas and meets a man who gave up super powers, as well as some young supers. He then explores his real past and eventually returns to the orphanage where he was raised, before Gargunza got his hands on him. As you would expect, it was a nightmare environment that would horrify Dickens, with sexual predators running the place. The ending just came out, which then sets up the link to the next phase, The Dark Age.
I liked the initial stages, as they were published back in the early 90s; but, the middle ground kind of left me cold. Until we start investigating Dickie's past, it just feels like we are spinning wheels, at best suggesting that all is not perfect or ideal in this utopia; but, we got that from The Golden Age. I guess I expected too much and even the ending, which is quite intriguing and makes me want to see what happens in The Dark Age; but, I can't help feeling that it seems.....less. The orphanage stuff was kind of predictable, especially after Moore explored such a nightmare, when young Johnny Bates, after emerging from a catatonic state, is placed in a home for boys, where he is bullied and abused and about to be raped, before he speaks the change trigger and releases Kid Miracleman and the slaughter begins. The story meanders, before we kick back into high gear, with this issue; but, it seems like we are setting up for a rehash of Moore's finally storyline, but with a different sequence of events.
It's not Star Wars Prequels disappointing, just kind of not really what I would call Gaiman's best work and maybe that has always been my problem with the post-Moore stuff. Gaiman just doesn't seem the right person for this, because his worldview is a bit too different from Moore's...or maybe just his approach to the concepts. The revelation of Dickie's true past pales pretty heavily with the revelations of Project Zarathustra and the reveal of Miracle Woman, the Qys and Aza Chorn et al. The twist at the end seems very Gaiman and Sandman. but we aren't dealing with the same archetypes, in my opinion. Maybe I will feel differently when the Dark Age is published (though never assume, with this series) and see the full context. It seems obvious how it will progress; but, maybe Gaiman is setting us up for a twist. Right now, I kind of feel like things should have just ended with Moore's last issue.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 21, 2024 15:55:08 GMT -5
I've been buying it, but I haven't read any of it yet. I was sort of planning to wait until it was finally finished and then I plan to read the whole thing in its entirety. What I will say though is that, like you, I don't think the series was ever as good after Moore stopped writing it and Gaiman took over. It wouldn't surprise me overly if that was the case with the Silver Age. I guess I'm expecting the Silver Age to be decent, but not up to the standards of Alan Moore's run on the character.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Jan 22, 2024 12:34:49 GMT -5
I quite enjoyed The Golden Age, although it was clear to me it was a transitional book. And I enjoyed the first couple episodes of The Silver Age, published by Eclipse.
But yeah, this completely underwhelmed me. Not so much the abuse revelation (which felt meretricious to me), but the pretense that anything being offered by YM was somehow profound or worldchanging, when it was all pretty much the obvious critiques one would make in that kind of situation.
And the Dark Ages are supposed to be about the return of Bates ... whom I am thoroughly bored of by now.
Grant Morrison had wanted to take over the title, but that didn't happen because of the acrimony between him and Moore; I usually rate Gaiman over Morrison but now I'm wondering where he'd have gone with it.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 22, 2024 21:07:19 GMT -5
I quite enjoyed The Golden Age, although it was clear to me it was a transitional book. And I enjoyed the first couple episodes of The Silver Age, published by Eclipse. But yeah, this completely underwhelmed me. Not so much the abuse revelation (which felt meretricious to me), but the pretense that anything being offered by YM was somehow profound or worldchanging, when it was all pretty much the obvious critiques one would make in that kind of situation. And the Dark Ages are supposed to be about the return of Bates ... whom I am thoroughly bored of by now. Grant Morrison had wanted to take over the title, but that didn't happen because of the acrimony between him and Moore; I usually rate Gaiman over Morrison but now I'm wondering where he'd have gone with it. Based on Zenith, I kind of expect it would play out with a lot of cross-dimensional stuff, like the other bodies in hyperspace somehow coming into play, including some nasties from the Qys. I always thought Zenith peaked with the Richard Branson stand-in and went downhill with the following storyline.
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Post by berkley on Jan 23, 2024 22:40:47 GMT -5
I'd say I rate Morrison over Gaiman but that could be because I've read more Morrison and, perhaps more importantly, I read his best stuff first and mostly avoided the work-for-hire things, most of which I've disliked when I have tried it (with the big exception of Seven Soldiers); whereas with Gaiman I made the mistake of reading a few Marvel things first (1602, Eternals), which I disliked much as I do Morrison's JLA, etc - but having read them I found myself developing a distaste for Gaiman. So it wasn't until this past year that I finally got around to reading Sandman all the way through. Anyway, forgetting all that and assuming other things equal (i.e. that they're roughly around the same level in terms of skill and talent), I think Morrison in theory would have been a better bet for Miracleman/Marvelman because his work has always been so intensely involved with superheroes as a genre. But I wonder if the theory would have been borne out in this case, because I think there would have been a risk that his problematic relationship with Moore might have distorted his vision when it came to this particular character.
edit: I've never read the Gaiman MM and not sure I ever will, as I prefer him on his own creations, as I do most comics writers in times when they were able to write their own creations (or someone else's, if that was their spontaneous creative choice and not a work-for-hire job taken out of economic necessity or convenience).
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 24, 2024 13:59:07 GMT -5
I'd say I rate Morrison over Gaiman but that could be because I've read more Morrison and, perhaps more importantly, I read his best stuff first and mostly avoided the work-for-hire things, most of which I've disliked when I have tried it (with the big exception of Seven Soldiers); whereas with Gaiman I made the mistake of reading a few Marvel things first (1602, Eternals), which I disliked much as I do Morrison's JLA, etc - but having read them I found myself developing a distaste for Gaiman. So it wasn't until this past year that I finally got around to reading Sandman all the way through. Anyway, forgetting all that and assuming other things equal (i.e. that they're roughly around the same level in terms of skill and talent), I think Morrison in theory would have been a better bet for Miracleman/Marvelman because his work has always been so intensely involved with superheroes as a genre. But I wonder if the theory would have been borne out in this case, because I think there would have been a risk that his problematic relationship with Moore might have distorted his vision when it came to this particular character.
edit: I've never read the Gaiman MM and not sure I ever will, as I prefer him on his own creations, as I do most comics writers in times when they were able to write their own creations (or someone else's, if that was their spontaneous creative choice and not a work-for-hire job taken out of economic necessity or convenience).
I like some Morrison and not others; but, have always found him to be Alan Moore-Lite, meaning in a similar vein, but with less originality and demonstrated talent. not to say he isn't talented or a good storyteller, just not at the same level I perceive Alan Moore. I like Roy Thomas' writing, but he isn't remotely close to Moore, as a writer of depth. Morrison, like all writers, has his tics and some would work well with Miracleman and others not so much. He has a definite trend of wanting to pull things from other worlds/dimensions into stories, as sources of power or conflict, often in Lovecraftian ways. A lot of his stuff, to me, reads like a list of influences, especially Michael Moorcock. To be fair to him, there are times when I feel that with Moore, especially when dealing with dimensional alternative figures. They both read, to me, like Moorcock's Eternal Champion, especially in stories like Sailor on The Seas of Fate, where Elric meets other manifestations of the Eternal Champion (this occurs in other stories, too). Morrison is heavily influenced by (and Moorcock claimed stole from) Jerry Cornelius. Given similar writing and thematic influences, I do think they would mesh better and when I am in a less kind mood, I would say Morrison would largely ape Moore, as he did in previous work. Gaiman has similarities; but, he comes across, to me, as a somewhat different literary tradition, more based in fantasy and horror than the mixture os sci-fi, fantasy, horror, ind English literature that Moore is, and a lesser extent Morrison. Sandman has a lot of influence from writers like Lord Dunsany and Gaiman has followed Moorcock and even wrote a short story to Moorcock's writing, but with the thesis that he outgrew it for others. Also, Moore and Morrison have seemingly been more involved with psychotropic drugs, though I really don't know Gaiman's history, as I haven't seen or read much discussion from him, on that subject. I suspect pot and alcohol, at least, but have no idea if he ever dropped acid or consumed psychedelic mushrooms or imbibed in cocaine, in the 80s, when it was prevalent. Gaiman came from music journalism, so he was at least around it. So, yeah, Morrison was probably a better fit; but that was unlikely to occur. Gaiman has moments and I enjoyed a couple of issues of The Golden Age a great deal. Specifically, issue 19, with Dr Gargunza's consciousness replicated in an android form, in a special garden, alongside multiple versions of Andy Warhol, who then tries to break programming and the confines of the garden to go into the outside world. It made me think that Gargunza will eventually succeed and be a factor in the next battle. The Warhol stuff was interesting, as it played on the convention of Warhol's prints of repeated images, with minor alterations. He is seen wearing a t-shirt, with the "KIMOTA!" lightning bolt logo. The other is issue 21, with a village for former spies, where they can play their games of intrigue and deception. It has the feel of The Prisoner, with a slightly different take on the themes of it. Beyond that, the only part that really interested me was the single page bits at the end, of MM launching a probe into hyperspace, which locates the merged bodies of Dickie Dauntless and Young Miracleman and takes a DNA sample, which is then returned and Young Miracleman is cloned and reborn, for the start of The Silver Age. With the Silver Age, the first issue is intriguing, as Young Miracleman reacts to this new world and not necessarily in a positive way. he is extremely confused and frightened, as well as sad and conflicted about Miracle Woman. The next issue picks up on that and continues, then has YM flee Mt Olympus. Then, everything stopped for 30 years, with a tease of a page of art, from the next issue. Once Gaiman and Buckingham returned, I found that next issue a very mixed bag and wondered if it was the passage of time or if the story was unaltered from its conception, 30 years ago. After that, YM continues exploring this world and I felt like we were spinning our wheels again, as we had in The Golden Age, for most of it. Moore' stories explored all kinds of things; but, there was a definite journey from Point A to Point B, building to a climax. With Gaiman, it felt more like a meandering around trails that cross back and forth over one another and bring you back to the start. The lack of further detail about the Bates cult seemed like a major omission and the ending in the recent issue seems like it was erased and reconstructed, in a new form, which doesn't quite gel with previous chapters in the Golden Age and the earliest published chapters in The Silver Age. It makes me wonder how much of what was published in the more recent chapters was there in the early 90s and how much was altered by the passage of time and change in interest in Gaiman? Ultimately, the passage of time affects the work, for me, because I have 30 years of imagining how the story would play out and it is hard to compete with the mind for that kind of thing.
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Jan 24, 2024 17:09:36 GMT -5
I've been picking it up, rad the first few but the last 2-3 were sitting unread. A new issue came out today, and I picked it up, but I also dropped it from my pull while I was at the lcs. If I catch up on the issues I have and want to read the rest, I'll grab a trade or read it legally online via hoopla or MU maybe, but I wasn't enjoying it enough to keep picking it up.
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Post by Sol on May 25, 2024 11:23:15 GMT -5
...With Gaiman, it felt more like a meandering around trails that cross back and forth over one another and bring you back to the start... In my opinion, Dickie is obviously an important character to Gaiman's Miracleman arc, that's why the Silver Age was written. I enjoyed everything about this arc. The "meandering" effect you describe didn't feel like that to me at all, it felt intentional, it put me on the edge of my seat waiting for what will happen next! Like good comics should. The Dark Age can't come soon enough!
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