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Post by Randle-El on Feb 10, 2016 14:50:07 GMT -5
Is this still going on? I just started watching DS9 for the first time on Netflix after finishing my re-watch of TNG and am looking forward to discussing episodes if people are interested. This is my first foray into post-Roddenberry Star Trek.
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Post by shaxper on Feb 10, 2016 19:51:57 GMT -5
Is this still going on? I just started watching DS9 for the first time on Netflix after finishing my re-watch of TNG and am looking forward to discussing episodes if people are interested. This is my first foray into post-Roddenberry Star Trek. I'm ALWAYS interested in discussing DS9, my friend Discuss away!
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Post by Randle-El on Feb 11, 2016 14:23:07 GMT -5
I'm ALWAYS interested in discussing DS9, my friend Discuss away! So far, I'm four episodes in to season 2 (the one where Jadzia Dax is forced to give up the symbiont to Lionel Luth... I mean, Verad). My estimation thus far is that DS9 seems to be following a similar pattern to TNG in its first season. It's very obviously standing in the shadow of its predecessor, borrowing concepts/characters liberally from the elder series as it tries to find its own voice. The first seasons of both shows were also of very uneven quality, with a handful of episodes indicating that the show had potential. From season 1, the episodes I liked were "Captive Pursuit", "Progress", "The Forsaken", and "Duet". Most of the rest were of middling quality, and there were a few pretty awful ones ("Move Along Home", "The Storyteller", "If Wishes Were Horses"). I also enjoyed the opening arc of season 2. I've read a few things here and there online about the type of show that DS9 evolves into, and there are definitely hints of it in these early episodes. Even at this juncture, DS9 seems to be a much more "adult" show than TNG was, dealing with issues such a war, terrorism, politics, nationalism, and religion much more deeply than TNG ever did. That aspect of the show may be partly why as a kid I got quickly bored with it when it first aired (the mediocre quality of season 1 certainly wouldn't have helped). At the same time, there are plenty of episodes in season 1 that look like they could have been recycled TNG or TOS episodes. I'm looking forward to future seasons, where the serialized storytelling seems like it would be a better fit for the kinds of themes DS9 wants to tackle.
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Post by shaxper on Feb 11, 2016 15:54:40 GMT -5
I thoroughly agree with your synopses of both the first season and the show in general. Thumbs up, my friend. Keep watching and talking!
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Post by Randle-El on Feb 15, 2016 1:56:54 GMT -5
I just watched the season 2 episode "Necessary Evil". I really enjoyed the episode for the acting, the flashbacks, and the fleshing out of the characters involved, as well as presenting a conflict for Odo and Kira. But it seemed like the main mystery was full of plotholes:
1) Why was Quark targeted for assassination? The contents of the list would have been meaningless to him. And since he's a Ferengi, paying him off would have been a better way to keep him quiet, and would have attracted a lot less attention than murdering him.
2) Why does Vaatrik tell his wife that he was having an affair with Kira when he wasn't? It doesn't seem to serve any useful purpose. Maybe Vaatrik's wife lied about this in order to create a credible reason why Kira would kill him. But if she knew Kira killed Vaatrik, then why not just tell Dukat directly? Since Vaatrik and his wife were collaborators anyway, they have a direct line to him, and presumably Dukat would want to know if the Bajoran resistance was coming after his sympathizer network.
3) Why is Odo made security chief by the Cardassians despite the fact that his audition for the job was an apparent failure to solve the murder mystery?
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Post by SJNeal on Feb 23, 2016 11:57:59 GMT -5
After binging this thread (that I'm almost 2 yrs late to!), I gotta jump in and defend my girl Jadzia! I fully agree that S1 was not a good showing - she had one starring episode (the mediocre "Dax"), and a handful of deus ex machina moments when her technobabble saved the day. And yes, Terry Farrell's wooden performances are downright painful. Starting with S2 and beyond though, she quickly became one of my favorites. It helped that I loved the whole concept of the Trill/Symbiotes to begin with (dating back to TNG's "The Host"), but thanks to a combination of good writing, and a lot of campaigning from Farrell herself, Dax would gradually receive a healthy dose of character development. Nothing on the level of Odo or Kira, mind you, but more than enough for me to love her. So hang in there, wildfire! It gets better!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 23, 2016 13:11:24 GMT -5
It's not Dax that I don't like.. it's Terry Farrell... I feel like my 15 year old daughter is a far better actor . @ Randle - I definitely plan on continuing, it's just really slow... I don't watch a huge amount of TV, and I've also got anime to watch, as well as Gotham and Agent Carter . I pretty much agree with your s1 assessment. I'm hanging in there because people tell me it's going to be awesome eventually. So far, there's a few flashes of promise, but overall I see why I never stuck with it when it was new. Feel free to comment on any of the stuff here, or just your own reviews . I'll get back to it sooner or later.
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Post by SJNeal on Feb 23, 2016 13:23:08 GMT -5
It's not Dax that I don't like.. it's Terry Farrell... I feel like my 15 year old daughter is a far better actor . But she's so nice at conventions!?
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Post by Randle-El on Feb 23, 2016 15:27:34 GMT -5
It's not Dax that I don't like.. it's Terry Farrell... I feel like my 15 year old daughter is a far better actor . @ Randle - I definitely plan on continuing, it's just really slow... I don't watch a huge amount of TV, and I've also got anime to watch, as well as Gotham and Agent Carter . I pretty much agree with your s1 assessment. I'm hanging in there because people tell me it's going to be awesome eventually. So far, there's a few flashes of promise, but overall I see why I never stuck with it when it was new. Feel free to comment on any of the stuff here, or just your own reviews . I'll get back to it sooner or later. I have a question for you: I've been moving along the episodes at a pretty good clip (about one a day), and at this point I'm pretty much caught up with you. Would you be ok with my talking about episodes past what you watched, or would you prefer I hang back until you've covered it? My reason for asking is that I wanted to continue discussing episodes, but I also want to respect the fact that you started this thread and are its primary contributor. I don't want to hijack it.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 23, 2016 23:58:00 GMT -5
Go for it... I'm pretty slow
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Post by shaxper on Feb 25, 2016 11:08:44 GMT -5
After binging this thread (that I'm almost 2 yrs late to!), I gotta jump in and defend my girl Jadzia! I fully agree that S1 was not a good showing - she had one starring episode (the mediocre "Dax"), and a handful of deus ex machina moments when her technobabble saved the day. And yes, Terry Farrell's wooden performances are downright painful. Starting with S2 and beyond though, she quickly became one of my favorites. It helped that I loved the whole concept of the Trill/Symbiotes to begin with (dating back to TNG's "The Host"), but thanks to a combination of good writing, and a lot of campaigning from Farrell herself, Dax would gradually receive a healthy dose of character development. Nothing on the level of Odo or Kira, mind you, but more than enough for me to love her. So hang in there, wildfire! It gets better! I truly don't think Terry Farrell ever got it together. She was always the weak link in the series. In the first season, they were all still trying to find their way (especially Visitor and Brooks), but Farrell was quite gifted at ruining many moments in the series. I'm very tempted to discuss Season Six, but I won't. And yes, she is very nice at conventions.
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Post by dupersuper on Feb 25, 2016 23:28:07 GMT -5
I never found Farrell that bad.
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Post by SJNeal on Feb 26, 2016 0:12:02 GMT -5
After binging this thread (that I'm almost 2 yrs late to!), I gotta jump in and defend my girl Jadzia! I fully agree that S1 was not a good showing - she had one starring episode (the mediocre "Dax"), and a handful of deus ex machina moments when her technobabble saved the day. And yes, Terry Farrell's wooden performances are downright painful. Starting with S2 and beyond though, she quickly became one of my favorites. It helped that I loved the whole concept of the Trill/Symbiotes to begin with (dating back to TNG's "The Host"), but thanks to a combination of good writing, and a lot of campaigning from Farrell herself, Dax would gradually receive a healthy dose of character development. Nothing on the level of Odo or Kira, mind you, but more than enough for me to love her. So hang in there, wildfire! It gets better! I truly don't think Terry Farrell ever got it together. She was always the weak link in the series. In the first season, they were all still trying to find their way (especially Visitor and Brooks), but Farrell was quite gifted at ruining many moments in the series. I'm very tempted to discuss Season Six, but I won't. And yes, she is very nice at conventions. I think Cirroc Lofton and Rosalind Chao have her beat in the weakest link dept., but again, I'm biased. As someone else already mentioned (you, I think?), Brooks didn't click until S4 when he shaved his head and was allowed to channel his brooding anger into badassery! S6 had one of the strongest openings of the series, but I remember more than a few duds as well. But we aren't discussing that.
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Post by shaxper on Feb 26, 2016 0:16:11 GMT -5
Yes, but...the writing for his character was never very strong either. He had no personality, and the actor wasn't remarkable enough to overcome that. Dax, on the other hand, was very well written. Farrell just couldn't keep up. I'm tempted to agree, but her character was written to be a shrew, and that's how she played it. Again, I think this falls more on the writing and less on the actor. Yup, but not just the "badassery". His leadership style really became clear at that point, too. When the guns weren't firing, he could be remarkably informal and at ease with his command structure. It was impressive and distinct. Oh, I think you know why I brought up S6 when discussing Terry Farrell
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Post by SJNeal on Feb 26, 2016 0:37:25 GMT -5
Oh, I know... and it's tempting to spoil it but I'll control myself! And yes, she did get some really well written episodes ("Facets", "Rejoined", "Blood Oath"...). It's been a good 5+ years since my last watch-through of the series, so maybe that excellent writing is clouding my judgement. But until the next binge, I'll continue to love me some Jadzia.
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