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Post by james on Apr 7, 2023 19:57:40 GMT -5
I read a large bit of Byrne lately and I started to think what would make him relevant in 2023?
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 7, 2023 20:50:10 GMT -5
I read a large bit of Byrne lately and I started to think what would make him relevant in 2023? Sanity? No, wait...that's harsh. Honestly, his biggest issue these days seems to be interacting with fans. Maybe its ego (and he has a big one, based on behavior in the past), maybe he doesn't take criticism well, maybe it's the impersonal nature of electronic communication; but, he seems less offended by jerks as much as offended that anyone either disagrees with him, on any subject, or thinks he is owed something by fans, other than basic courtesy and respect, as a human being. Terry Austin or Karl Kesel inking his art would be nice. An editor that can go toe to toe with him would be good (not many of them working in comics, these days). I would say an original idea but he's never really had one. He's definitely a guy who plays best with other people's toys. Really, what makes anyone relevant in any age is their ability to communicate with an audience. He just hasn't seemed to have much to communicate in recent years, other than his Star Trek photoshop comics.
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Post by zaku on Apr 8, 2023 3:10:16 GMT -5
I read a large bit of Byrne lately and I started to think what would make him relevant in 2023? Sanity? No, wait...that's harsh. Honestly, his biggest issue these days seems to be interacting with fans. Maybe its ego (and he has a big one, based on behavior in the past), maybe he doesn't take criticism well, maybe it's the impersonal nature of electronic communication; but, he seems less offended by jerks as much as offended that anyone either disagrees with him, on any subject, or thinks he is owed something by fans, other than basic courtesy and respect, as a human being. Terry Austin or Karl Kesel inking his art would be nice. An editor that can go toe to toe with him would be good (not many of them working in comics, these days). I would say an original idea but he's never really had one. He's definitely a guy who plays best with other people's toys. Really, what makes anyone relevant in any age is their ability to communicate with an audience. He just hasn't seemed to have much to communicate in recent years, other than his Star Trek photoshop comics. I really thing that there should be a healthy distance between creators and their audiences. Some sporadic interaction on Twitter ok, participating full time on the forums no. Unless the creators of the full-blown racist Nazis, I'd like to be more interested in their work than in their ideas on this or that subject.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 8, 2023 10:27:22 GMT -5
Is he still attributing Shakespeare quotes to the Earl of Oxford?
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Post by zaku on Apr 8, 2023 10:45:17 GMT -5
Is he still attributing Shakespeare quotes to the Earl of Oxford? I've no idea. If I read him on his forum is usually because he has some interesting trivia bit about his classic works at Marvel or DC.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 10:53:32 GMT -5
I’m not sure. So much derivative stuff over the last decade or so (“derivative” is an understatement), and Star Trek photoshop novels do not interest me in any way, shape or form. I often preferred the writer over the artist (although I loved his Man of Steel work). Could he write something in 2023 that isn’t derivative? It’s a pipe dream, really.
If he could get a gig writing, say, 12 issues of Hulk, I’d be interested, but that pipe dream would need to involve him having a strong editor, plus not being so acerbic (never good optics) on his forum. I was disappointed that he didn’t do more Hulk tales.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 11:59:50 GMT -5
His X-Men Elsewhen fan fiction from a few years back was great, he can still do nice work for sure (I like it better than any X-title on the market today and for some time at that). If the market embraced some retro titles and folks were willing to work with him, his relevance to me would be simply bringing his classic game back to what he's always done best. www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55094&PN=3&totPosts=35
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 12:17:48 GMT -5
Honestly, with all the water under the bridge (and not trying to be mean here) the only way I see that Byrne could be relevant in 2023 is if something were to happen to make people overlook the bad and celebrate the good, and there's nothing I can think of that would do that that would be a positive occurrence for Byrne himself. He's just dug himself that deep a hole of ill will.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 14:27:17 GMT -5
His X-Men Elsewhen fan fiction from a few years back was great, he can still do nice work for sure (I like it better than any X-title on the market today and for some time at that). If the market embraced some retro titles and folks were willing to work with him, his relevance to me would be simply bringing his classic game back to what he's always done best. www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55094&PN=3&totPosts=35The art was nice, but I wish he’d have broken new ground. Instead, we got Sauron and the Savage Land (and if anyone enjoys those, then that’s fine). I’d have liked him see something different, e.g. X-Men VS Sinister Six or something. Now, I understand people bringing their “greatest hits” to the table. When I saw KISS in mid-2017, I’m glad they played all of the old favourites, e.g. “God of Thunder” and “Detroit Rock City”. Not sure I’d have bought tickets had KISS promised 100% new songs. So, yes, I get that Byrne will bring his “old favourites” to the table, but from a selfish fan perspective, I’d like to see something new. I mean, Trio was serviceable for me, but it wasn’t really compelling. It didn’t set my world alight. And it was derivative. And what do you even call Star Trek Photoshop books? I just wish he could have done something new and fresh.
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Post by commond on Apr 8, 2023 17:21:54 GMT -5
I don't think there's any way that Byrne could write a comic in 2023 that would appeal to modern readers. He was barely keeping up in the 90s let alone 30 years later. He'd have to pair with a modern writer, which I can't see happening.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 8, 2023 17:24:14 GMT -5
I read a large bit of Byrne lately and I started to think what would make him relevant in 2023? Being nice to people ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 18:58:47 GMT -5
I read a large bit of Byrne lately and I started to think what would make him relevant in 2023? Being nice to people ? Pipe dream! And don’t EVER accidentally type “than” rather than “then” (or vice versa) because he does not approve of that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 19:00:01 GMT -5
I don't think there's any way that Byrne could write a comic in 2023 that would appeal to modern readers. I agree. Trio is a good example of this: perfectly passable had it been written or drawn in 1990 (or 1991, or 1992), but totally underwhelming and mediocre when it was published in 2012.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 19:20:13 GMT -5
Modern comics tend to blow, I'd still take Byrne as a creator over most of that any day of the week, big mouth and all (he's far from the only one to be offensive over the years even if he is on the particularly loud side and does himself no service with that).
Why go "modern" anyways? Classic bands always mess up when they try to do this, sticking to what you do best is the tried and true formula and just embracing what you are most loved for (if that makes you a "legacy" act, so be it). I think there should be more retro comics out there for diverse fan interests, Byrne would be great at this.
What I actually think he could particularly excel at still is some Elseworlds type storytelling like he did with the Superman stuff back in the day. Classic basic setting, but some room for interesting twists in the storytelling if he was up for it.
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Post by commond on Apr 8, 2023 19:33:35 GMT -5
Well, the topic was about how he could be relevant in 2023. I don't think a retro comic that appeals to older fans fits the bill. Relevant to us, maybe, but not as a whole.
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