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Post by Ozymandias on May 6, 2014 16:25:02 GMT -5
Thundra appears to have a cleft-boob on that cover. Just Thundra?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 16:29:08 GMT -5
I'm pretty indifferent to the cover as a whole, but...
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Post by Ozymandias on May 6, 2014 16:30:35 GMT -5
I know, but that's not the only circle to be drawn, in that respect. If you get my meaning.
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Post by Miss Fantastic on May 6, 2014 16:31:14 GMT -5
That is a really good site. I was going to link to it in my first post, but it slipped my mind by the time I got done typing up the post. Thanks for bringing it up, mars. And thanks for finding it, Ozymandias. That site is, for my money, THE BEST Fantastic Four site currently around. If it still existed, the only site that would rival, if not beat FF: The Great American Novel, would be FFPlaza.com...may it RIP. My only 'beef' with FF:TGAN, and not necessarily a beef as much as a simple 'agree to disagree' deal at the end, is that I cannot say I agree with the author's deciding to include Valeria (or Maleria, as I like to call her and coined by a fellow FF fan friend) in the fold, nor the stance on John Byrne's run right down to the interpretation of The Negative Zone Epic (my second most favorite ever Byrne penned FF story) and several issues leading up to it all being Reed having a death wish. But then again, I hold quite a place in my heart for the Byrne run, especially the early half (FF #232-256), and A LOT of that was/is that it was the second of my true intros to the FF during the doldrums of the DeFalco run... Before the FF, my first Marvel dabbling was the Hulk during mid-late '93, which lasted over a few months thanks to the TV show rerunning on Sci-Fi (er...excuse me, SyFy ) Channel at the time and being my must-see TV that summer. During that time, my dad allowed my then nine year old self to get the Marvel: Five Fabulous Decades of the World's Greatest Comics coffee table book (as a very generous 'not necessarily Christmastime nor your birthday' gift) and take my first ever trip to a comic book store, during which I got the Marvel Milestone Edition of The Incredible Hulk #1 and The Sensational She-Hulk #1. While I thought it was cool to already own #1s, albeit one being a reprint, both my first ever finds failed to completely captivate me, and that combined with finally getting bored with the TV show put a slow end to my Hulk jones. As that was going on, I was finding myself more and more fascinated by the FF in the aforementioned coffee table book every time I glanced through it, between the always gorgeous John Buscema 'CHARGE!' shot on their profile page, to the FF #1's cover and origin pages, to the various covers (FF #236 really catching my eye every time I happened upon that page) and panels displayed, to...saving the best for last, a reprint of FF #51/"This Man, This Monster!" in its entirety in the back section and among several other featured issues. It's almost as if it all spoke to me...right down to that FF #51 featurette most likely being THE FIRST FF issue I ever read and LOVED out of the gate, completing the first rite of my Fantastic initiation. Something was definitely stuck in the back of my mind and strengthened me during the process of the second rite: going to the drug store in spring of '94 and getting a then current FF issue, FF #388, which was the first non-reprint FF issue I ever obtained, and deciding if the FF and their title were for me despite what I saw. And boy, what I witnessed in that little issue was certainly not pretty...the FF in the woes of suffering through Reed's 'death' and in the midst of their time travel fracas/'great search for Reed' called "Nobody Gets Out Alive". I honestly didn't know what to make of it all, certainly a not wonderful time for an absolute 'noob' to happen upon a title...BUT, I remained intrigued and undeterred, and a lot of that being via all of the talk of this 'Reed Richards' and the desire to find him among the other three members. Between that, remembering that I liked Reed in FF #51, and simply wanting to sample more wares with the Fantastic FOUR instead of THREE like that in #388 (already by then, my Core Four purism had started). That completed rite two, with the third and final rite of my Fantastic initiation beginning with my second ever and quite fateful trip to the comic shop on an early summer evening, where I picked up FF #'s 236, 252, 271, 285, and 358. A week or two later, a thunderstorm hit one hot and humid afternoon, causing a power outage for several hours. During that, I holed my then ten year old self up in my bedroom with a can of Coke, a Walkman with a cassette of Pink Floyd's The Wall, and FF #236 alias "Terror In A Tiny Town". Not only was that afternoon among the most blissful moments I have ever experienced, but after turning to that fortieth and final page to see Victor, er, 'Vincent Vaughn' reaping what he had sowed with the Puppet Master, I was thoroughly overwhelmed with the knowledge of the FF were indeed my team and title, I officially wanted to learn, read, and collect all that was and is Fantastic. And with the final rite of my Fantastic initiation complete, to paraphrase a quite famous phrase printed on numerous page ones through the years...my world would never again be the same(!). Thanks, Hondo! As I promised yesterday, ordered the last significantly sized posters I don't have (and have never owned) last night. One of them being this one, which I amazingly had never seen in all twenty years of my FF worship until happening upon it on Amazon at least a month ago. Finally decided to land it after waiting awhile, seeing it was still there, and taking the hint that it was meant for me to have. There are five copies left on the said Amazon page for any and everyone potentially interested. And yes, it does say 'Alien Battle' when it should be saying 'Moloid Battle'...
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Post by Hoosier X on May 6, 2014 16:33:28 GMT -5
She popped up in these stories a few years back, I know -- I was thinking this looked like it might be kinda cool (Looka that Art Adams art!) and then I noticed that Jeph Loeb wrote it.
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Post by Ozymandias on May 6, 2014 16:36:58 GMT -5
I also don't understand why he has so good a rep. Except for Spider-Man Blue and the last chapter of For All Seasons, I don't find the rest of his work particularly interesting.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 16:38:05 GMT -5
I did buy (used, of course) the 4 issues or so in which the Lady Liberators back-ups appeared. Pretty fun.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 16:42:28 GMT -5
The only Loeb I really care for is the Batman stuff with Sale, but I do love it.
And to get back on track, what did people think of FF? I haven't gotten into the second trade yet, but it's one of my favorite recent titles and I love the Moloids.
edit: I'm referring to the Allred-illustrated FF, not the team with Spidey.
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Post by Crimebuster on May 6, 2014 17:18:49 GMT -5
When it comes to FF posters, there's just one I'd really love to have - this 1971 Third Eye black light poster (which, like all the Third Eye black light posters from this set, is extremely expensive now):
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Post by Rob Allen on May 6, 2014 19:23:20 GMT -5
That 'Great American Novel' site is by Chris Tolworthy, who was on CBR for a while. I exchanged some email with him fairly recently, when I noticed him on metafilter.com. I'll see if I can entice him to join this forum.
My first FF was issue #27, with Sub-Mariner and Dr. Strange. Over the years I've acquired #24-26 and #28, and a few coverless copies of earlier issues. There aren't many things that I'd buy coverless, but early FF is one of them.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 6, 2014 22:50:45 GMT -5
The only Loeb I really care for is the Batman stuff with Sale, but I do love it. And to get back on track, what did people think of FF? I haven't gotten into the second trade yet, but it's one of my favorite recent titles and I love the Moloids. edit: I'm referring to the Allred-illustrated FF, not the team with Spidey. I read four or five issues of the Allred FF before I had to stop getting comics because of financial problems, and I loved it! Except for the occasional issue of FF from the 1970s, the Allred FF is the only FF comic I've bought in twenty years, maybe more.
I loved that line-up, Ant-Man, Medusa, She-Hulk and the pop singer (Can't think of her name but she was great. She wore a Thing suit and I don't remember if she had a code name), and a supporting cast of thousands! (Mostly mole people.)
As soon as I get back on my feet, the Allred FF is the first thing I'll start collecting.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 6, 2014 22:59:13 GMT -5
Fantastic Four #4 review is up. Get it while it's hot.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 23:01:04 GMT -5
I think FF ended at #16. The second trade goes up through #13 which has me convinced there won't be a third. I hope they do a large trade in the future.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 6, 2014 23:36:54 GMT -5
Fantastic Four #4 review is up. Get it while it's hot. Thanks for the heads up, Slam. I left a comment.
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Post by Miss Fantastic on May 6, 2014 23:40:42 GMT -5
...and the pop singer (Can't think of her name...She wore a Thing suit and I don't remember if she had a code name)... Darla Deering is Miss Thing's real name. A 'yes, I'm THAT picky about my Fantastic Four' disclaimer before proceeding...I don't find anything redeeming about Darla, and think her to be the flimsiest associate member yet. They have her join just because she's Johnny's girlfriend du jour? At least Frankie Raye (who is tied with Crystal for my favorite of Johnny's flames, pun intended, over time) had honest to goodness powers AND reason to be able to join. They just happened to have a Thing suit lying around and granted Darla clearance (Clarence) to use it and be a member...*does her best Bull Shannon* oooohhh-kay! Nor, as if it hasn't already been made obvious, is Future Foundation really my cup of tea anyway...yes, even the Hickman penned issues. Way too much catering to Franklin and especially Valeria, which was and still is my ginormous beef with Hickman's Fantastic Four issues too. How I clamor for the FF to not just hopefully stand for just 'Fantastic Four' again, but also for them to go back to being THE focus of their title and not everyone else (I'll admit, I groaned when I read that James Robinson planned to utilize Future Foundation's cast of hundreds in Fantastic Four)...especially Val-Ware and her hapless always-potential-deux-ex-machina-in-waiting brother. *sighs*
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